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    Re: crackdown on "OWS" capms coordinated by US mayors

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So let me get this straight if they didnt pitch up tents and just stayed there and protested for like 18 hours a day would that still be allowed?
    Correct.

    Or lets say the protesters made shifts where they would protest at the park 24 hours a day and take shifts.. Would that be allowed?
    Many parks have curfews, so that depends on the park. What these protesters are doing is wearing out their welcome by camping out, by keeping the parks a mess,bogarting the parks and causing other trouble.
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    Re: crackdown on "OWS" capms coordinated by US mayors

    you completely miss the point. its not about technicalities, its about rights. as long as people follow the basic laws then they should be able to protest however they want. I never saw any raids against homless people and their tents to put these people into apartments.

    when the protests are being cramped down on by the police and free speech becomes no speech at all in the media due to cencorship, then there is a worse situation going on.

    are there any freedoms left in the US? what is that old document called, the one that no one care about anymore? the bill of rights is it?
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    Re: crackdown on "OWS" capms coordinated by US mayors

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    you completely miss the point. its not about technicalities, its about rights. as long as people follow the basic laws then they should be able to protest however they want. I never saw any raids against homless people and their tents to put these people into apartments.

    when the protests are being cramped down on by the police and free speech becomes no speech at all in the media due to cencorship, then there is a worse situation going on.
    That's what I find very dangerous about this whole thing and perhaps taken aback a little when so many rush to defend the government intervention on the exercise of rights. If this, then what else can they do? Can we really protest, or will it be that when the "protest" becomes a nuisance to the government, that they find some caveat, some little law that has nothing to do with the rights of others, or worse yet start to create new ones on the spot in order to force protesters from an area, scatter them so we don't have to see them. Out of sight, out of mind. After all, that's why the "free speech zones" are so far away from the RNC and DNC conventions. I suppose if people can't see the problem in that, they won't see the problem in this.

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    are there any freedoms left in the US? what is that old document called, the one that no one care about anymore? the bill of rights is it?
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    Re: crackdown on "OWS" capms coordinated by US mayors

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Correct. But if the mayor wants to get re-elected, he/she is going to do what the majority wants them to do. [...]
    Close, but no cigar. The mayor is going to do what the people (corporations) who will finance a re-election wants the mayor to do.

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    Re: crackdown on "OWS" capms coordinated by US mayors

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Crackdown on OWS camps coordinated by US city mayors RT

    again public opinion and protest is denied. the fascist hits again.

    do the population at large still have a right to protest and be heard in the US?
    Protest through your congressman like any sensible person would do...don't scream and yell and burn things and sell dope and provide hookers for fun and games. OWS is a joke, nothing will come of it other than local municipalities making extra money from fines.

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    Re: crackdown on "OWS" capms coordinated by US mayors

    Quote Originally Posted by coolwalker View Post
    Protest through your congressman like any sensible person would do...don't scream and yell and burn things and sell dope and provide hookers for fun and games....
    you must be confusing OWS with a RNC convention.

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    Re: crackdown on "OWS" capms coordinated by US mayors

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    you completely miss the point. its not about technicalities, its about rights. as long as people follow the basic laws then they should be able to protest however they want. I never saw any raids against homless people and their tents to put these people into apartments.
    The thing is these people are not following the basic laws.These people are camping out in parks after closing hours, these people are creating crime cesspools, harassing businesses,their employees and customers, vandalizing property, bogarting public spaces for themselves and all sorts of other ****.




    when the protests are being cramped down on by the police and free speech becomes no speech at all in the media due to cencorship, then there is a worse situation going on.

    are there any freedoms left in the US? what is that old document called, the one that no one care about anymore? the bill of rights is it?
    You have the right to free speech,peaceably assemble, freedom of religion,freedom of press, petition for a governmental redress of grievances and many other rights. You just do not have the right to camp out in a city park,bogart public spaces, disrupt other people's activities,shoot at the whitehouse, throw a chair through a starbucks window and other act of vandalism, make the crime rate go up, or stay as long as you want in public spaces.You do not have the right to do these things on someone else's property. Nor do you have the right to trespass onto someone else's property and hold a protest.

    Again if all these people did was protest and went home at the end of the day every day then no one would be trying to remove them,especially if they allowed others to use those spaces for a while before returning.

    I do not know you if you understand the concept of not wearing out your welcome.You and these protesters do not seem to understand this little fact.So I will use an example to illustrate wearing out your welcome. For example lets say your friend invites you to his house for the week end. While you are at his house you make messes, **** on his floor, drink all his beer, waste his food, leave only one ice cube in the icecube tray, leave only shot glass worth of tea in the iced tea pitcher and hog the tv. Your friend is going to kick you out, will never invite you over again, most likely he will stop being your friend and tell everyone what a inconsiderate **** you are. These occutards have basically done that,they have worn out their welcome.
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    Re: crackdown on "OWS" capms coordinated by US mayors

    Quote Originally Posted by coolwalker
    Protest through your congressman
    The entire point is not to do this...
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    Re: crackdown on "OWS" capms coordinated by US mayors

    Can an OWS supporter please explain to me why they are protesting Goldman Sachs instead of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac? I'm curious because the US taxpayer profited approximately $2 billion at Goldman Sachs expense and lost over $150 billion to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Why are there protest over CEO bonuses at Goldman Sachs when they were paid with company capital and not over FM/FM bonuses that were over $100 million paid for by the US taxpayer? This baffles me and I would love to hear someone defend this type of thinking.

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    Taxpayers Earn +23% on Goldman Sachs TARP Repayment | Foreign Policy Blogs
    Goldman Sachs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Bailout Tracker - TARP Program
    Tracking the $700 Billion Bailout - The New York Times
    Bailout Tracker - The Associated Press
    True Cost of Fannie, Freddie Bailouts: $317 Billion, CBO Says | CNSnews.com
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    Re: crackdown on "OWS" capms coordinated by US mayors

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhapsody1447 View Post
    Can an OWS supporter please explain to me why they are protesting Goldman Sachs instead of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac? I'm curious because the US taxpayer profited approximately $2 billion at Goldman Sachs expense and lost over $150 billion to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Why are there protest over CEO bonuses at Goldman Sachs when they were paid with company capital and not over FM/FM bonuses that were over $100 million paid for by the US taxpayer? This baffles me and I would love to hear someone defend this type of thinking.

    Sources:
    Bailout List: Banks, Auto Companies, and More | Eye on the Bailout | ProPublica
    Taxpayers Earn +23% on Goldman Sachs TARP Repayment | Foreign Policy Blogs
    Goldman Sachs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Bailout Tracker - TARP Program
    Tracking the $700 Billion Bailout - The New York Times
    Bailout Tracker - The Associated Press
    True Cost of Fannie, Freddie Bailouts: $317 Billion, CBO Says | CNSnews.com
    Outstanding post.

    I think your question will be answered when the puppet masters behind this anarchy are revealed. These have never been a grassroot movement, someone or some group of entities are coordinating this uprising. 2012 is going to very wild.
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