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crackdown on "OWS" capms coordinated by US mayors

Caine said:
The Police beat the **** out of them?

When?
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in New York according to witnesses! Not much video of it as the police banned the press...very soviet
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Wonder how much bones or promises corporate lobbyists threw at them?
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Probably alot more promise than the occupiers have shown. The occupiers should take a long hard look at that picture and do some serious thinking about what they really have to offer.
 
Ikari said:
We do not live in a pure democracy, in fact that's stupid. That is nothing more than mob rule. In our Republic, the whim of the majority may not overrule the rights of the minority.
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That's why the occupiers do not have the right to deny others, the use of the parks they are occupying. They do not have the right to create environments that are unsafe because of violence and disease. They sure as hell don't have the right to force kids to live in these camps. That's child abuse.
 
apdst said:
That's why the occupiers do not have the right to deny others, the use of the parks they are occupying. They do not have the right to create environments that are unsafe because of violence and disease. They sure as hell don't have the right to force kids to live in these camps. That's child abuse.
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I think many of the OWS supporters fail to realize this fact. The park is there for everybody,not just the OWS/Occu-tards.
 
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The OWS movement seems to have the idea that if the police and city leaders do not let them do any thing they want then they are suppressing their movement. What is clearly being stated is that these people do have the right to protest and voice their opinions but there are rules to govern that so things do not get out of hand. What I don't understand is why the people involved cannot follow these rules? Why do they feel they are above the law? Do things the right way.
 
muciti said:
The OWS movement seems to have the idea that if the police and city leaders do not let them do any thing they want then they are suppressing their movement. What is clearly being stated is that these people do have the right to protest and voice their opinions but there are rules to govern that so things do not get out of hand. What I don't understand is why the people involved cannot follow these rules? Why do they feel they are above the law? Do things the right way.
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If all these people wanted to do was protest then they would protest,go home after hours and come back the next day. If they wanted to they could actually let others use the park for a bit before coming back or not take up the whole park or even stick to the sidewalks.
 
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The OWS is not going to end. When you quash freedom of speech and assembly, people will feel wronged and come back in force.

I feel that the social unrest is only going to get worst in the next couple of years, until our government does something about top level corruption and economic waste. The unemployment rate is only going up while the fat cats line their pockets with tax payer money. :shrug:
 
Temporal said:
The OWS is not going to end. When you quash freedom of speech and assembly
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Their speech and freedom of assembly has not be quashed. They are just bot being allowed to camp out.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Crackdown on OWS camps coordinated by US city mayors — RT

again public opinion and protest is denied. the fascist hits again.

do the population at large still have a right to protest and be heard in the US?
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Freedom of Speech & Association does not include the right to camp indefinitely in plublic space, thereby restricting and preventing the use of such public space by the general public.

sorry.

nevermind the fact that there is NO evidence that the crackdowns have been "coordinated" by various Mayors.
 
Temporal said:
The OWS is not going to end. When you quash freedom of speech and assembly, people will feel wronged and come back in force....
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not only are they NOT being told they can't protest & assemble, but they aren't even being told that they must have a protest permit to do so.

the NYPD has issued zero summonses for protesting without a permit, which shows a clear respect for Freedom of Speech..even to the point of violating NYC's own laws.
 
jamesrage said:
Their speech and freedom of assembly has not be quashed. They are just bot being allowed to camp out.
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So let me get this straight if they didnt pitch up tents and just stayed there and protested for like 18 hours a day would that still be allowed?
Or lets say the protesters made shifts where they would protest at the park 24 hours a day and take shifts.. Would that be allowed?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buovLQ9qyWQ

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQlU8ra_8OE"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQlU8ra_8OE

[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBC2gNRk63s[/URL][/URL]
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So, you bring in videos of the old situations where police were using force in a comment about the recent shut downs of Occupy campsites?

Do we call this a lie by omission?

I was asking for evidence of police beatdowns in reference to THIS THREAD...

You made your comment about mayors sending the police in to beat the **** out of protesters in THIS THREAD..

Which is about MAYORS shutting down campsites.....

Not about police handling particular marches during the course of the last month....
 
TheDemSocialist said:
So let me get this straight if they didnt pitch up tents and just stayed there and protested for like 18 hours a day would that still be allowed?
Or lets say the protesters made shifts where they would protest at the park 24 hours a day and take shifts.. Would that be allowed?
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Yes.
And Yes.

As long as their assembly didn't turn into a breeding ground for criminal activity.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
So let me get this straight if they didnt pitch up tents and just stayed there and protested for like 18 hours a day would that still be allowed?
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Correct.

Or lets say the protesters made shifts where they would protest at the park 24 hours a day and take shifts.. Would that be allowed?
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Many parks have curfews, so that depends on the park. What these protesters are doing is wearing out their welcome by camping out, by keeping the parks a mess,bogarting the parks and causing other trouble.
 
you completely miss the point. its not about technicalities, its about rights. as long as people follow the basic laws then they should be able to protest however they want. I never saw any raids against homless people and their tents to put these people into apartments.

when the protests are being cramped down on by the police and free speech becomes no speech at all in the media due to cencorship, then there is a worse situation going on.

are there any freedoms left in the US? what is that old document called, the one that no one care about anymore? the bill of rights is it?
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
you completely miss the point. its not about technicalities, its about rights. as long as people follow the basic laws then they should be able to protest however they want. I never saw any raids against homless people and their tents to put these people into apartments.

when the protests are being cramped down on by the police and free speech becomes no speech at all in the media due to cencorship, then there is a worse situation going on.
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That's what I find very dangerous about this whole thing and perhaps taken aback a little when so many rush to defend the government intervention on the exercise of rights. If this, then what else can they do? Can we really protest, or will it be that when the "protest" becomes a nuisance to the government, that they find some caveat, some little law that has nothing to do with the rights of others, or worse yet start to create new ones on the spot in order to force protesters from an area, scatter them so we don't have to see them. Out of sight, out of mind. After all, that's why the "free speech zones" are so far away from the RNC and DNC conventions. I suppose if people can't see the problem in that, they won't see the problem in this.

We've caged freedom.

Maximus Zeebra said:
are there any freedoms left in the US? what is that old document called, the one that no one care about anymore? the bill of rights is it?
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More than most, less than in the past.
 
KevinKohler said:
Correct. But if the mayor wants to get re-elected, he/she is going to do what the majority wants them to do. [...]
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Close, but no cigar. The mayor is going to do what the people (corporations) who will finance a re-election wants the mayor to do.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Crackdown on OWS camps coordinated by US city mayors — RT

again public opinion and protest is denied. the fascist hits again.

do the population at large still have a right to protest and be heard in the US?
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Protest through your congressman like any sensible person would do...don't scream and yell and burn things and sell dope and provide hookers for fun and games. OWS is a joke, nothing will come of it other than local municipalities making extra money from fines.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
you completely miss the point. its not about technicalities, its about rights. as long as people follow the basic laws then they should be able to protest however they want. I never saw any raids against homless people and their tents to put these people into apartments.
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The thing is these people are not following the basic laws.These people are camping out in parks after closing hours, these people are creating crime cesspools, harassing businesses,their employees and customers, vandalizing property, bogarting public spaces for themselves and all sorts of other ****.




when the protests are being cramped down on by the police and free speech becomes no speech at all in the media due to cencorship, then there is a worse situation going on.

are there any freedoms left in the US? what is that old document called, the one that no one care about anymore? the bill of rights is it?
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You have the right to free speech,peaceably assemble, freedom of religion,freedom of press, petition for a governmental redress of grievances and many other rights. You just do not have the right to camp out in a city park,bogart public spaces, disrupt other people's activities,shoot at the whitehouse, throw a chair through a starbucks window and other act of vandalism, make the crime rate go up, or stay as long as you want in public spaces.You do not have the right to do these things on someone else's property. Nor do you have the right to trespass onto someone else's property and hold a protest.

Again if all these people did was protest and went home at the end of the day every day then no one would be trying to remove them,especially if they allowed others to use those spaces for a while before returning.

I do not know you if you understand the concept of not wearing out your welcome.You and these protesters do not seem to understand this little fact.So I will use an example to illustrate wearing out your welcome. For example lets say your friend invites you to his house for the week end. While you are at his house you make messes, **** on his floor, drink all his beer, waste his food, leave only one ice cube in the icecube tray, leave only shot glass worth of tea in the iced tea pitcher and hog the tv. Your friend is going to kick you out, will never invite you over again, most likely he will stop being your friend and tell everyone what a inconsiderate **** you are. These occutards have basically done that,they have worn out their welcome.
 
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Can an OWS supporter please explain to me why they are protesting Goldman Sachs instead of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac? I'm curious because the US taxpayer profited approximately $2 billion at Goldman Sachs expense and lost over $150 billion to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Why are there protest over CEO bonuses at Goldman Sachs when they were paid with company capital and not over FM/FM bonuses that were over $100 million paid for by the US taxpayer? This baffles me and I would love to hear someone defend this type of thinking.

Sources:
Bailout List: Banks, Auto Companies, and More | Eye on the Bailout | ProPublica
Taxpayers Earn +23% on Goldman Sachs TARP Repayment | Foreign Policy Blogs
Goldman Sachs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Bailout Tracker - TARP Program
Tracking the $700 Billion Bailout - The New York Times
Bailout Tracker - The Associated Press
True Cost of Fannie, Freddie Bailouts: $317 Billion, CBO Says | CNSnews.com
 
Rhapsody1447 said:
Can an OWS supporter please explain to me why they are protesting Goldman Sachs instead of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac? I'm curious because the US taxpayer profited approximately $2 billion at Goldman Sachs expense and lost over $150 billion to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Why are there protest over CEO bonuses at Goldman Sachs when they were paid with company capital and not over FM/FM bonuses that were over $100 million paid for by the US taxpayer? This baffles me and I would love to hear someone defend this type of thinking.

Sources:
Bailout List: Banks, Auto Companies, and More | Eye on the Bailout | ProPublica
Taxpayers Earn +23% on Goldman Sachs TARP Repayment | Foreign Policy Blogs
Goldman Sachs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Bailout Tracker - TARP Program
Tracking the $700 Billion Bailout - The New York Times
Bailout Tracker - The Associated Press
True Cost of Fannie, Freddie Bailouts: $317 Billion, CBO Says | CNSnews.com
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Outstanding post.

I think your question will be answered when the puppet masters behind this anarchy are revealed. These have never been a grassroot movement, someone or some group of entities are coordinating this uprising. 2012 is going to very wild.
 
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