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Occupy Wall Street: New York police clearing protest

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BBC News - Occupy Wall Street: New York police clearing protest

Police in New York have launched a pre-dawn operation to clear the Occupy Wall Street camp in Zuccotti Park.


The city mayor's office said on Twitter that the protesters should "temporarily leave and remove tents and tarps" but could return once the park was clear.

Occupy Wall Street was set up in September to protests against economic inequality and had been followed by dozens of protests around the world.

A camp in Oakland, California was cleared overnight on Monday.
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Once the pre-text was created elsewhere, it has snowballed to all other districts. Mainstream reporting on the NYC clearing is scant at best. I had to go to the BBC to find out the details. It turns out that the subway and bridges are shut down at this time to prevent an influx of people, as the OWS organizers have put out a rallying call to resist. That's probably not such a good idea.

At least they are allowed to return to protest in a non-camping capacity. I hope they are more organized next time. I just dread to think what is going on there right now.
 
I think it is time for them to move on and formulate the next steps.
 
Occupy Wall Street: New York police clear Zuccotti Park

New York City police in riot gear swept into a Lower Manhattan park early today to remove hundreds of Occupy Wall Street demonstrators who had been camping there for more than eight weeks to protest income inequality.

The action followed similar moves that shut camps in Oakland, California, and Portland, Oregon. New York police and the park’s owners told protesters at 1 a.m. local time to remove items including tents and sleeping bags, after which city workers cleared remaining belongings, Mayor Michael Bloomberg said. The park will remain closed until the city can review a judge’s restraining order seeking to allow protesters to return with their belongings, the mayor said.

“The First Amendment protects speech,” the mayor said in a press conference at City Hall. “It doesn’t protect the use of tents and sleeping bags to take over public space.”

Protesters will be allowed to return without tents, sleeping bags or tarps, and must follow park rules, he said.

New York Police Evict Occupy Wall Street Protesters - Bloomberg
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:2party: :smash: :2wave:

Finally Bloomberg mans up and does what he should have done a long time ago. Maybe these people will finally realize that the first amendment wasn't meant as an excuse for people to trespass and occupy private property at the expense of the general public. Hey protesters, feel free to continue to protest legally and responsibly. Sorry for shutting down your homeless shelter, I'm sure you will find the dozens of others to be more than accommodating. :mrgreen:

I have to end with my favorite quote in regards to the Occupy movement:

""Democracy destroys itself because it abuses its right to freedom and equality. Because it teaches its citizens to consider audacity as a right, lawlessness as a freedom, abrasive speech as equality, and anarchy as progress.” -Isocrates

Good riddance. :lamo
 
Re: Occupy Wall Street: New York police clear Zuccotti Park

Rhapsody1447 said:
:2party: :smash: :2wave:

Finally Bloomberg mans up and does what he should have done a long time ago. Maybe these people will finally realize that the first amendment wasn't meant as an excuse for people to trespass and occupy private property at the expense of the general public. Hey protesters, feel free to continue to protest legally and responsibly. Sorry for shutting down your homeless shelter, I'm sure you will find the dozens of others to be more than accommodating. :mrgreen:

I have to end with my favorite quote in regards to the Occupy movement:

""Democracy destroys itself because it abuses its right to freedom and equality. Because it teaches its citizens to consider audacity as a right, lawlessness as a freedom, abrasive speech as equality, and anarchy as progress.” -Isocrates

Good riddance. :lamo
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Absolutely. But this isn't over. These agitators want violence, and will continue to flaunt the law in order to incite chaos. It may still get ugly.

j-mac
 
Temporal said:
BBC News - Occupy Wall Street: New York police clearing protest



Once the pre-text was created elsewhere, it has snowballed to all other districts. Mainstream reporting on the NYC clearing is scant at best. I had to go to the BBC to find out the details. It turns out that the subway and bridges are shut down at this time to prevent an influx of people, as the OWS organizers have put out a rallying call to resist. That's probably not such a good idea.

At least they are allowed to return to protest in a non-camping capacity. I hope they are more organized next time. I just dread to think what is going on there right now.
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Why? They are bringing it upon themselves.

j-mac
 
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j-mac said:
Absolutely. But this isn't over. These agitators want violence, and will continue to flaunt the law in order to incite chaos. It may still get ugly.

j-mac
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Yeah, the OWS movement was all about violence and the aggregate whole wants to cause violence. :roll:
 
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Ikari said:
Yeah, the OWS movement was all about violence and the aggregate whole wants to cause violence. :roll:
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they got into bed (so to speak) with anarchists, Marxists, Neo Nazis, and Unions. You are whom you hang with...Sorry. Even you have advocated violence from this group in other threads about it....Shall we dig?

j-mac
 
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j-mac said:
they got into bed (so to speak) with anarchists, Marxists, Neo Nazis, and Unions. You are whom you hang with...Sorry. Even you have advocated violence from this group in other threads about it....Shall we dig?

j-mac
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Dig away. I've never said I'm 100% non-violent. I, in fact, believe the rebellion and revolt are proper tools of the People. I also like to stir up **** on this board from time to time.

That being said, you have no data to accurately display the demographics about how many want to turn to violence and thus you cannot logically group the whole and pretend you are accurately representing the aggregate with your statements.
 
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Ikari said:
Dig away. I've never said I'm 100% non-violent. I, in fact, believe the rebellion and revolt are proper tools of the People. I also like to stir up **** on this board from time to time.

That being said, you have no data to accurately display the demographics about how many want to turn to violence and thus you cannot logically group the whole and pretend you are accurately representing the aggregate with your statements.
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I don't need a poll, or study to see that the numerous arrests, rapes, murders, disease, filth, and mentality of these spoiled brats are doing...You seem to have been indoctrinated like a good sheeple into buying their rhetoric. I'll be looking for the lean change.


j-mac
 
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j-mac said:
I don't need a poll, or study to see that the numerous arrests, rapes, murders, disease, filth, and mentality of these spoiled brats are doing...You seem to have been indoctrinated like a good sheeple into buying their rhetoric. I'll be looking for the lean change.


j-mac
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There were isolated incidents of crime, yes. But hardly indicative of the whole. If you have data to back your claim, I will give it more weight. But as it stands, it is nothing more than your bias opinion based on your person conviction of the political nature of OWS.
 
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Ikari said:
There were isolated incidents of crime, yes. But hardly indicative of the whole. If you have data to back your claim, I will give it more weight. But as it stands, it is nothing more than your bias opinion based on your person conviction of the political nature of OWS.
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Whatever dude....live in that land of denial all you want.....When good men do nothing.


j-mac
 
Re: Occupy Wall Street: New York police clear Zuccotti Park

j-mac said:
Whatever dude....live in that land of denial all you want.....When good men do nothing.


j-mac
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I live in the world of fact and measurement. If you cannot produce measurement to back your claim, you have opinion. And your opinion on this matter is already highly suspect given an inability to divorce political opinion and bias from observation.
 
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The problem with violence is that on a primitve-brain level, it justifies escalation. It can be like a chain reaction. Keep pushing the police violently and they may accidentally kill a few people. Then OWS is outraged and wants vengance. Then cops die, then cops want vengance, and you get escalation where everyone is right, and everyone is wrong. It's dumb. Grow up. We have frontal lobes now, use them.

We enjoy historic-level freedoms. So much freedom in fact that most people on this forum cannot practically describe a realistically more free way to live in society. If they had a cause to violently protest, I'd hope we'd all support it. They don't.
 
Re: Occupy Wall Street: New York police clear Zuccotti Park

Rhapsody1447 said:
:2party: :smash: :2wave:

Finally Bloomberg mans up and does what he should have done a long time ago. Maybe these people will finally realize that the first amendment wasn't meant as an excuse for people to trespass and occupy private property at the expense of the general public. Hey protesters, feel free to continue to protest legally and responsibly. Sorry for shutting down your homeless shelter, I'm sure you will find the dozens of others to be more than accommodating. :mrgreen:

I have to end with my favorite quote in regards to the Occupy movement:

""Democracy destroys itself because it abuses its right to freedom and equality. Because it teaches its citizens to consider audacity as a right, lawlessness as a freedom, abrasive speech as equality, and anarchy as progress.” -Isocrates

Good riddance. :lamo
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Good to see that you hate democracy.
 
Re: Occupy Wall Street: New York police clear Zuccotti Park

j-mac said:
they got into bed (so to speak) with anarchists, Marxists, Neo Nazis, and Unions. You are whom you hang with...Sorry. Even you have advocated violence from this group in other threads about it....Shall we dig?

j-mac
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That makes no sense at all since Neo Nazis, anarchists, and Marxists have massively different ideologies to the point where they can't agree on anything.
 
Good i hope they come back asap...
 
I would laugh my ass off in permits were giving to some other group to protest in that park and those protesters bogarted that space for as long as they liked.
 
Me and a buddy are going there at 3pm, today.
 
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Re: Occupy Wall Street: New York police clear Zuccotti Park

Ikari said:
I live in the world of fact and measurement. If you cannot produce measurement to back your claim, you have opinion. And your opinion on this matter is already highly suspect given an inability to divorce political opinion and bias from observation.
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Much has already been posted about this behavior of these idiots. If you can't follow various reports then fact and measurement is NOT the world you live in, rather a sound byte you invented to reject that in which you disagree.

j-mac
 
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j-mac said:
Much has already been posted about this behavior of these idiots. If you can't follow various reports then fact and measurement is NOT the world you live in, rather a sound byte you invented to reject that in which you disagree.

j-mac
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Not much has been covered. Plenty of people have chimed in with opinion, which is fine; but data it is not. Isolated incidents do not make for aggregated behavior either. In the end, I think some of you decided right from go what sort of people were at OWS and have been on a crusade to dismiss it ever since. Your own rhetoric points to this. So it seems like insult and dismissal are all you're left with here. K, noted.
 
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