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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

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    The use of government force against the rights and liberties of the individual.
    You don't have a right to camp in a public park or on someone else's property.
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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    You don't have a right to camp in a public park or on someone else's property.
    Public land such as public parks should be open game for protest and assembly. Private property, of course you don't have the right to occupy it.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Don't have a problem with either. Remember those tents vets put up during the great depression? it was a shame, a disgrace that they were removed by force.
    I don't care.
    A public park, is for the public at large, not for OWS people, not for vets, but for everyone.

    They are not intended to, nor do they have the facilities present to be a place to camp.
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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Public land such as public parks should be open game for protest and assembly. Private property, of course you don't have the right to occupy it.
    Protesting /= camping.

    It's a common area, where we have to have rules on use because it is meant for everyone.
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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Protesting /= camping.
    Indeed, it does not.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I do not believe permits necessary for the exercise of rights.

    Ah, you don't believe eh? Well, who are you? We live in a civil society where we have elected representatives to enact laws on our behalf. One of those laws is that in order to hold a rally you must in most municipalities in this country you must obtain a permit. You don't like it, well, tough, you can't just ignore the law when it suits you.

    Your right to be free, does not supersede my right to be free from you.

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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I don't care.
    A public park, is for the public at large, not for OWS people, not for vets, but for everyone.

    They are not intended to, nor do they have the facilities present to be a place to camp.
    I respectfully disagree. It's not camping, but protest. Continued protest. So while i don't put OWS in the same category as the vets, who were seriously wronged, a national disgrace, the fact remains, peaceful protest, even when sitting and staing on public land, doesn't bother me much.

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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ah, you don't believe eh? Well, who are you? We live in a civil society where we have elected representatives to enact laws on our behalf. One of those laws is that in order to hold a rally you must in most municipalities in this country you must obtain a permit. You don't like it, well, tough, you can't just ignore the law when it suits you.

    Your right to be free, does not supersede my right to be free from you.

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    You have no right to be free from me. That's like saying we have a freedom FROM religion; but that's not true. I have no right to not hear people run their mouths about their gods. Proper law is constructed to uphold, protect, and proliferate our rights; not infringe upon them.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I respectfully disagree. It's not camping, but protest. Continued protest. So while i don't put OWS in the same category as the vets, who were seriously wronged, a national disgrace, the fact remains, peaceful protest, even when sitting and staing on public land, doesn't bother me much.
    It doesn't matter if it bothers you much.
    Squatting is not legal, no matter the intent behind it.

    You don't have a right to squat on public or private property.
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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You have no right to be free from me. That's like saying we have a freedom FROM religion; but that's not true. I have no right to not hear people run their mouths about their gods. Proper law is constructed to uphold, protect, and proliferate our rights; not infringe upon them.
    So if you are a protester doing his thing in the park across from my home, I absolutely have the right to call authorities and remove you from direct proximity from my home, for any number of violations you are committing.

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