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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Maybe they did. But whether you are privy to that video is another question. Unless you are saying that in order for their actions to be acceptable you have to be satisfied.

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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So....why doesn't Law Enforcement video the event as well? It would seem to me that it would help in making cases and stronger evidence.
    Sometimes they do sometimes they don't.

    But, they don't video tape things for the purpose of throwing it on national TV or youtube to prove themselves to people.

    Also, I think folks are failing to remember that this was a rogue group of idiots who decided they were going to re-take the camp after they had been moved out that morning.

    During the original taking of the camp, only one "use of force" was made, and it was an accidental deployment of riot control agent, deployed on top of the POLICE group's location, not on protesters.

    I really hate having to say this over and over so people can understand what was REALLY going on that night, and I sure as hell ain't going to repost my same links every time I have to do this because hard headed members of debate politics continue to choose to ignore the fact that the protesters were trying to RE-OCCUPY the park while it was occupied by the police after having moved them out that morning.
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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Sometimes they do sometimes they don't.

    But, they don't video tape things for the purpose of throwing it on national TV or youtube to prove themselves to people.

    Also, I think folks are failing to remember that this was a rogue group of idiots who decided they were going to re-take the camp after they had been moved out that morning.

    During the original taking of the camp, only one "use of force" was made, and it was an accidental deployment of riot control agent, deployed on top of the POLICE group's location, not on protesters.

    I really hate having to say this over and over so people can understand what was REALLY going on that night, and I sure as hell ain't going to repost my same links every time I have to do this because hard headed members of debate politics continue to choose to ignore the fact that the protesters were trying to RE-OCCUPY the park while it was occupied by the police after having moved them out that morning.
    Fair enough. Though I still do not know if it was just to have moved them out originally. That was the original government intervention to which response was made.
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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Of course I must be satisfied that their actions were acceptable. They are the government and the government is restricted. It should be well demonstrated that they acted within the prescribed powers granted to them by the People and restricted through State Constitution and proper law.

    What in the video that is out there for public consumption is troubling enough to you that you feel the need to question the police actions in this matter?

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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Just out of curiosity, would the people condemning the OWS protests and applauding the actions of the police be saying the same thing if it were a Tea Party protest? I don't really take any sides in this issue at all. This is just a question that I'm honestly curious about. I don't see OWS accomplishing anything and I think that the original message has been skewed so much that a good portion of the people don't even know what they are protesting anymore. I also think that some of the police have been going overboard and that the people who are applauding them are doing so because they don't agree with the entire premise of OWS.
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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What in the video that is out there for public consumption is troubling enough to you that you feel the need to question the police actions in this matter?

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    The use of government force against the rights and liberties of the individual.
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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The use of government force against the rights and liberties of the individual.
    Do the people have the rights and liberties of squatting on public land?
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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I don't have a problem with people protesting, I have a problem with people squatting.
    Don't have a problem with either. Remember those tents vets put up during the great depression? it was a shame, a disgrace that they were removed by force.

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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Fair enough. Though I still do not know if it was just to have moved them out originally. That was the original government intervention to which response was made.

    Why is that? Did the protesters have a permit to be there? Was the space that they were occupying set aside specifically for them at that time, or did they just come in and take over using the force of a mob?

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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Why is that? Did the protesters have a permit to be there? Was the space that they were occupying set aside specifically for them at that time, or did they just come in and take over using the force of a mob?

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    I do not believe permits necessary for the exercise of rights. Assembly and protest are right up there with gun rights and privacy rights. They are an absolute and must be upheld to their maximum possible.
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