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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So the rocks and bottles flying, the fires started, and the destruction of private property were the actions of these "nonviolent protesters"????

    Talk to the hand dude.

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    Actually those were conservative terrorist out to sabotage the message of this peaceful protest and the great message the Occupiers have.

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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    As I thought...I specifically used a cite that not only had the video talking with Lawrence O'Donnell, which I can't stand BTW, but it also included transcribed what the protester being interviewed, whom was there said....And it isn't good enough for you in our discussion....typical.

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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Just out of curiosity, would the people condemning the OWS protests and applauding the actions of the police be saying the same thing if it were a Tea Party protest? I don't really take any sides in this issue at all. This is just a question that I'm honestly curious about. I don't see OWS accomplishing anything and I think that the original message has been skewed so much that a good portion of the people don't even know what they are protesting anymore. I also think that some of the police have been going overboard and that the people who are applauding them are doing so because they don't agree with the entire premise of OWS.
    Im a cop... So Im going to be supportive of police being allowed to do their thing despite politicians preventing them from doing so.

    I am supportive of clearing out crime cesspools like these encampments because reducing crime is a part of our job.

    It has everything to do with their actions, and nothing to do with their politics.

    Although I can't say that I agree with their message, but thats another thing entirely, if they were protesting like normal people without causing any problems, I wouldn't be encouraging shutting them down.
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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    It doesnt say a lot of things Jamesrage. It states you have the right to peacefully assemble. Which they are doing. Your pulling strings right now.
    Yes, and time place and manner restrictions have been okayed as constitutional by the supreme court since the early 80s.
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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Provocative does not mean violent. Civil disobedience means to disobey. it does not mean that they started the violence. The police have the option on how to proceed. They don't have to use force.
    Peaceful Civil Disobedience means you sit there and allow yourself to get arrested.

    It does NOT mean you throw bottles, rocks, motolov cocktails, fireworks, paint cans, etc at police in the course of doing their lawful duties.

    There is nothing "civil" about that.

    In Ghandi and MLKs versions of civil disobedience, you don't even bad mouth the police or view them in contempt.
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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Peaceful Civil Disobedience means you sit there and allow yourself to get arrested.

    It does NOT mean you throw bottles, rocks, motolov cocktails, fireworks, paint cans, etc at police in the course of doing their lawful duties.

    There is nothing "civil" about that.

    In Ghandi and MLKs versions of civil disobedience, you don't even bad mouth the police or view them in contempt.
    I don't disagree with you on that. But it does matter who resorted to force first.

    BTW, I haven't seen any Ghandi's or MLK's so far. It would be good to see such a person step forward.

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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I don't disagree with you on that. But it does matter who resorted to force first.

    BTW, I haven't seen any Ghandi's or MLK's so far. It would be good to see such a person step forward.
    The police showed up and ordered them to disburse.
    They were then attacked by bottles and rocks.

    This was reported by the police, and corroborated by a protester on national TV via the MSNBC Lawrence O'Donnell Show.

    Also, during one of the videos I have seen, after police have started using force, you can see protesters still throwing things at police, so with this, it is not hard for me to believe that the throwing began before police started using their force.

    No protesters are going to post videos showing them doing something wrong.....
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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    While I'm not sure that is the best evidence, I do like you using MSNBC. Good to see you can trust a source when you want to.

    But that would be the point. Argue that these people went too far and not that merely not obeying is equal to violence.

    So, someone actually at the event, and witnessed what transpired, and reported by someone on a Network that I can not stand, and it isn't good enough for you...I am shocked.

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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    The police showed up and ordered them to disburse.
    They were then attacked by bottles and rocks.

    This was reported by the police, and corroborated by a protester on national TV via the MSNBC Lawrence O'Donnell Show.

    Also, during one of the videos I have seen, after police have started using force, you can see protesters still throwing things at police, so with this, it is not hard for me to believe that the throwing began before police started using their force.

    No protesters are going to post videos showing them doing something wrong.....
    So....why doesn't Law Enforcement video the event as well? It would seem to me that it would help in making cases and stronger evidence.
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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So....why doesn't Law Enforcement video the event as well? It would seem to me that it would help in making cases and stronger evidence.
    Maybe they did. But whether you are privy to that video is another question. Unless you are saying that in order for their actions to be acceptable you have to be satisfied.

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