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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Someone is protesting in someones house?


    Someone is denying someones ability to park their car in their driveway?
    The OWS protesters are denying others the right to use the park.
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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    It doesnt say a lot of things Jamesrage. It states you have the right to peacefully assemble. Which they are doing. Your pulling strings right now.
    Your definition of "peaceful" seems to be at odds with reality, when you have clashes with Police, and refusing to obey lawful orders of the police, it ceases to be peaceful.

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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Your definition of "peaceful" seems to be at odds with reality, when you have clashes with Police, and refusing to obey lawful orders of the police, it ceases to be peaceful.

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    But which comes first? Was it peaceful until police intervention, or was it violent requiring police intervention? I don't recall widespread violence until the police showed up trying to push the protesters out.
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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Your definition of "peaceful" seems to be at odds with reality, when you have clashes with Police, and refusing to obey lawful orders of the police, it ceases to be peaceful.

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    Not obeying is not equal to not being peaceful. It is possible to peacefully refuse. In all cases, use of force should be something we consider carefully, and not something we jump to right away.

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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not obeying is not equal to not being peaceful. It is possible to peacefully refuse. In all cases, use of force should be something we consider carefully, and not something we jump to right away.
    Oh I disagree. If these protesters were told that they were to disperse, and they didn't that is a provocative act. An officer tells you to do something, you refuse and get your head cracked, and then arrested? Tough ****!

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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh I disagree. If these protesters were told that they were to disperse, and they didn't that is a provocative act. An officer tells you to do something, you refuse and get your head cracked, and then arrested? Tough ****!

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    That's just plain shortsighted, and in multiple ways.

    1) To think that there is never a time to stand up to the police
    2) To think that the police cracking any nonviolent protester over the head is a good idea.

    The first one is called being a pussy, and the second one is called "thanks for the free money" lawsuit.
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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh I disagree. If these protesters were told that they were to disperse, and they didn't that is a provocative act. An officer tells you to do something, you refuse and get your head cracked, and then arrested? Tough ****!

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    Provocative does not mean violent. Civil disobedience means to disobey. it does not mean that they started the violence. The police have the option on how to proceed. They don't have to use force.

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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh I disagree. If these protesters were told that they were to disperse, and they didn't that is a provocative act. An officer tells you to do something, you refuse and get your head cracked, and then arrested? Tough ****!

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    MMMMM, appeal to authority. Good thing you weren't around when the founders where doing their thing.
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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    That's just plain shortsighted, and in multiple ways.

    1) To think that there is never a time to stand up to the police
    I didn't say that, but your line is in that not having to pay back loans you took, and signed for is the line in the sand for you? Really?

    2) To think that the police cracking any nonviolent protester over the head is a good idea.
    So the rocks and bottles flying, the fires started, and the destruction of private property were the actions of these "nonviolent protesters"????

    Talk to the hand dude.

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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Provocative does not mean violent. Civil disobedience means to disobey. it does not mean that they started the violence. The police have the option on how to proceed. They don't have to use force.

    Are rocks and bottles hurled at police in Oakland non violent? Where did they come from if protesters didn't throw them? Out of thin air?

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