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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    I can shoot someone only to "send a message," the First Amendment does not protect me. I may have been expressing myself, but my actions broke the law and violated people's rights in a manner that has nothing to do with speech. Now, OWS is perfectly free to protest in the park and get their message out there. They do not have the right to squat on public land at taxpayer expense.
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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    I can shoot someone only to "send a message," the First Amendment does not protect me. I may have been expressing myself, but my actions broke the law and violated people's rights in a manner that has nothing to do with speech. Now, OWS is perfectly free to protest in the park and get their message out there. They do not have the right to squat on public land at taxpayer expense.
    No it does not due to this is a republic which means that they create laws within the constitution, very old worn out statement of shooting someone and spinning it around like you don't understand what is being said. Hell, I can't even crap on your door step if I don't like you without breaking a law.

    This example doesn't fit the discussion at hand. They were on private property open to the public in Oakland and the owners gave them permission to be there.
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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    I can shoot someone only to "send a message," the First Amendment does not protect me. I may have been expressing myself, but my actions broke the law and violated people's rights in a manner that has nothing to do with speech. Now, OWS is perfectly free to protest in the park and get their message out there. They do not have the right to squat on public land at taxpayer expense.
    Hence why "peaceable" is included with the right to protest. Murdering someone to express yourself is not peaceable.
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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Even it is, they are still violating reasonable city ordinances/laws by doing so. If they wish to fight those ordinances/laws, they should expect to do so in court, not on the streets with the police.
    Is it reasonable to deny a protest by telling the people to go away? Is it reasonable to tell people to get off of private land that is open to the public and which the owners of that private land said that they could be there?
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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Is it reasonable to deny a protest by telling the people to go away? Is it reasonable to tell people to get off of private land that is open to the public and which the owners of that private land said that they could be there?
    Who is responsible for the upkeep of that private land open to the public? What the city ordinances concerning waste/sanitation/land use of that private land?

    People are restricted in how they can use private land as well. In fact, most cities have ordinances concerning how many people can occupy a given amount of space due to sanitation and safety concerns. I don't know if those were being violated or not, but obviously someone felt some ordinance was being violated in some way. If they were wrong, the protesters should have brought it up in court, not challenged the cops in the street.
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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Just a note here but I have read that the park that the OWS protestors are using in Oakland is actually privately owned by BNY Mellon and his spokesmen has stated that they (BNY Mellon) is not blocking any access.

    So....what right did the police have of forcing those that are camping there out?
    Any proof of this? From what I can find, it appears BNY Mellon owns parks in Pittsburg and possibly Zuccotti Park. I can't find anything about them owning the park in Oakland.
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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Is it reasonable to deny a protest by telling the people to go away? Is it reasonable to tell people to get off of private land that is open to the public and which the owners of that private land said that they could be there?

    The protesters themselves say that they cannot be silenced, and no matter what anyone does they will still protest. Which tells me that closing public spaces really does not matter to them, except for the publicity that it brings. Which is why they get themselves arrested in the first place.

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