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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    And when the opposite happens, people are hurt, and the park ruined, people killed, women raped, and disease rampant then what would you say? Ah, I guess I was wrong?


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    Unfortunately, the people would then blame the police for not shutting it down sooner.

    Thats the ridiculousness of it all.
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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Unfortunately, the people would then blame the police for not shutting it down sooner.

    Thats the ridiculousness of it all.

    Absolutely. And in case I haven't said before, thanks for being in law enforcement. You have an impossible job, and are taken for granted much.

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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Peacefully assemble I don't think means take over an area to the exclusion of anyone else that may want to use that park.
    They are excluding people?
    How are they excluding people?

    Nor do I think it covers hassling people in the normal course of business of their day,
    So by yelling and chanting that means they are not peaceful?

    nor do I think it means that a group can infringe on the rights of others due to their assembly.

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    What rights are the infringing upon?


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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The OWS protesters are denying others the right to use the park.
    How??????? By camping there? By gathering there?


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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Your definition of "peaceful" seems to be at odds with reality, when you have clashes with Police, and refusing to obey lawful orders of the police, it ceases to be peaceful.

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    So it makes you not peaceful by refusing to obey the lawful orders of the police? So Ghandi, MLK, and others were not peaceful? I thought they were the definition of peaceful... So sit ins were not peaceful protests?

    And you said clashes... When did these clashes begin? After the police came in and used brute force?


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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I don't care.
    A public park, is for the public at large, not for OWS people, not for vets, but for everyone.

    They are not intended to, nor do they have the facilities present to be a place to camp.
    News flash!: The "OWS people" are the public......


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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    And you said clashes... When did these clashes begin? After the police came in and used brute force?

    Wrong. It has already been shown that the police gave an order to disburse, and were not clashing, when the protesters started the violence with bottle and rock throwing, so your disinformation will not work.

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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So it makes you not peaceful by refusing to obey the lawful orders of the police? So Ghandi, MLK, and others were not peaceful? I thought they were the definition of peaceful... So sit ins were not peaceful protests?

    And you said clashes... When did these clashes begin? After the police came in and used brute force?
    Ghandi and MLK's civil disobedience didn't involve throwing rocks and bottles and motolov cocktails at police.

    In fact... Ghandi's method of civil disobedience included not even talking hateful towards the police in performance of their duties, or holding them with ill contempt in any way.

    As for the "After police came in and used brute force?" comment...

    You are doing it again.........

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    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    News flash!: The "OWS people" are the public......
    No, um no they aren't.

    They are not even a fraction of 1% of the public.


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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    If the protestors came out protested, left, and came back the next day, that would be finel. People have freedom to assemble and petition for redress of grievances. This does not give one a blank check to do whatever one wants under freedom to protest. I cannot not murder someone, claim I only did it to "send a message," and get off based upon my right to expression. I have freedom of speech, but my actions are harmful in a context that has nothing to do with what is being expressed. In this situation, there is a valid, unrelated purpose to kick out the protestors. They are protesting, and that is their right. However, they are also squatting, denying use of the park to other groups, and preventing maintenance. The protestors are free to assemble as much as they want, as long as they do not interfere with the rights of others.
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