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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    And what happens when you have 2 or more people wanting to use that same space of public land?
    First come, first serve?

    That would also be the same as silencing the 2nd person's right to assemble, at least from what you've said here
    Essentially first come. If both groups are small enough, both can occupy the same small land. There is no real eloquent solution to that since one would strive to preserve both group's right to assemble and protest. Though what we are discussing here is not so much another civilian group attempting exercise of rights; but rather government intervention against the exercise of rights.
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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    City of Oakland said, "You can't camp, but you can protest during regular park hours."

    Protesters said, "No."

    Did I miss something?
    Did the city compromise?
    I pretty sure they did here.

    So what did they do wrong?
    At what time of day did they try to remove them? And would them camping have really been that big a deal? In the city i speak of they said, sure, camp, but do it over here, and set aside a space. A compromise.

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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Essentially first come. If both groups are small enough, both can occupy the same small land. There is no real eloquent solution to that since one would strive to preserve both group's right to assemble and protest. Though what we are discussing here is not so much another civilian group attempting exercise of rights; but rather government intervention against the exercise of rights.
    And what happens if group 2, 3 , 4, etc won't leave?
    They can just duke it out until there is a winner?

    What if they decide to use that public space indefinitely?
    Isn't that unfair to others who pay taxes for and want to use that space?
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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    To protest and assemble is a right, and thus the government is restricted in the means and powers it can deploy to interfere with the exercise of that right.
    Does this assembly have to be in accordance with existing laws and ordinances? Or can we just ignore laws when we feel we have a greater right?


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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    At what time of day did they try to remove them? And would them camping have really been that big a deal? In the city i speak of they said, sure, camp, but do it over here, and set aside a space. A compromise.
    At night, when the OWS decided to not comply with the multiple warnings.

    Yes camping can be a big deal, especially in a crime haven like Oakland.
    Who should be responsible for cleaning up feces, trash, etc?

    It's a public park not meant for camping at all.
    They were not designed to accompany campers.
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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I'm not sure that's entirely true. I gave an example of a reasonable police force getting better results. Now, things are never likely to be perfect, especially the more people you get in any one area, but I prefer reasonable acts over unreasonable acts. Some restraint over reacting without thinking it through.
    Getting better results than what?

    Are you going to bring up the incident in Oakland where the Iraq veteran was hurt while trying to RE-OCCUPY again?

    The original removal of Oakland that day went off fine...... It got good results....
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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Getting better results than what?

    Are you going to bring up the incident in Oakland where the Iraq veteran was hurt while trying to RE-OCCUPY again?

    The original removal of Oakland that day went off fine...... It got good results....
    Nope, that example never crossed my mind. the mere fact that they let it get to the point of throwing tear gas is enough for me to suggest they didn't get excellent results.

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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    At night, when the OWS decided to not comply with the multiple warnings.

    Yes camping can be a big deal, especially in a crime haven like Oakland.
    Who should be responsible for cleaning up feces, trash, etc?

    It's a public park not meant for camping at all.
    They were not designed to accompany campers.
    And what would eb the terrible consequences if they left them be?

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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Nope, that example never crossed my mind. the mere fact that they let it get to the point of throwing tear gas is enough for me to suggest they didn't get excellent results.
    When a crowd does not follow a reasonable order.
    The same one that said, "You can protest, you just can't camp."

    What else should they do?
    Run away and hide?
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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Getting better results than what?

    Are you going to bring up the incident in Oakland where the Iraq veteran was hurt while trying to RE-OCCUPY again?

    The original removal of Oakland that day went off fine...... It got good results....

    Absolutely. And it should be noted that it was starting to become clear that this ex Marine, whom btw was the founder of ihatethemarines.com, was most likely hit with a flying bottle, or rock.

    The propaganda surrounding that incident would have made Hezbollah proud.


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