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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It doesn't matter if it bothers you much.
    Squatting is not legal, no matter the intent behind it.

    You don't have a right to squat on public or private property.
    Perhaps, but reasonable people can decide that it is better to allow it than to esculate the violence. It is far more likely they will tirer and move on if left alone than if you esculate the violence. We should ahve learned in the 60's that too much resistence increases the resolve and doesn't lessen it. From a sheer practical POV, trying to remove them causes more problems then it solves in most cases.

    BTW, my daughter and son-in-law have been involved in some of this, and they report respect for the police, who where they are have both ahered to law and negoitated an acceptable compromise. It appeared to me the law there acted reasonably, and found better solutions.

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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So if you are a protester doing his thing in the park across from my home, I absolutely have the right to call authorities and remove you from direct proximity from my home, for any number of violations you are committing.

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    You are more than free to call the authorities.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You are more than free to call the authorities.
    Yep, and when they require the crowd to disburse, then it is your protest trampling my rights, not the police trampling yours.


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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yep, and when they require the crowd to disburse, then it is your protest trampling my rights, not the police trampling yours.


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    The police are restricted in the way they can act and if the group is assembling and protesting, then they do not, from that alone, have enough to disburse the crowd.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Perhaps, but reasonable people can decide that it is better to allow it than to esculate the violence. It is far more likely they will tirer and move on if left alone than if you esculate the violence. We should ahve learned in the 60's that too much resistence increases the resolve and doesn't lessen it. From a sheer practical POV, trying to remove them causes more problems then it solves in most cases.
    Not really.
    If you let some people get away with breaking the law, then others may jump on the bandwagon.
    Not a very good image to project.

    They had their chance to camp and protest, they were asked to leave and they should of acted reasonable and left.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    BTW, my daughter and son-in-law have been involved in some of this, and they report respect for the police, who where they are have both ahered to law and negoitated an acceptable compromise. It appeared to me the law there acted reasonably, and found better solutions.
    See your acting as if the police were the problem.
    The police don't come into this, until someone breaks the law.

    They shouldn't compromise with people breaking the law, that's not their job.
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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I do not believe permits necessary for the exercise of rights. Assembly and protest are right up there with gun rights and privacy rights. They are an absolute and must be upheld to their maximum possible.
    So.... anything in the name of assembly right?

    How about I assemble for the purpose of painting graffiti on City Hall?

    My assembly rights dude!
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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Public land such as public parks should be open game for protest and assembly. Private property, of course you don't have the right to occupy it.
    I think you missed the keyword....

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    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    So.... anything in the name of assembly right?

    How about I assemble for the purpose of painting graffiti on City Hall?

    My assembly rights dude!
    You are free to assemble, you are free to discuss graffiti as well. Defacing property perhaps not so much. If you want to draw specific reference to the property damage that occurred in isolated cases, that could then be construed as enough to find those people responsible for said property damage and arrest them.

    However, in any ability for the government to act against our rights; it must be properly controlled and restricted.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    I think you missed the keyword....

    C A M P
    Apparently, breaking the law is ok, as long as you're protesting.
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    Re: Police clear out Oakland protest camp

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    I think you missed the keyword....

    C A M P
    Protesting /= camping.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
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