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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Quit pretending those are the same thing. Even those who started and run SERE say they are not the same.

    And remember, SERE is largely to get you prepared for torture.
    So waterboarding is only a preparation for torture. Thank you. You heard it here folks.
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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    So waterboarding is only a preparation for torture. Thank you. You heard it here folks.
    Not exactly what I said, but I think you know that. Is this another dishonest attempt to sidestep the point?


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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Really? KSM was innocent? What innocent people have been waterboarded? And be sure to include your proof of claim please, I do not take your word for it.

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    However, this is becoming worse as many military officials are arguing that the US should have the authority to hold prisoners indefinitely, regardless of whether or not they are guilty. (Military Prosecutors: U.S. Has Authority to Detain Gitmo Prisoners Indefinitely, Regardless of Guilt)
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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Crazier is how people cherry pick history without context to score petty political points.
    That merely makes your case look deplorable...
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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    terrorists dont play by the rules, they don't fight under a flag and they target women and children so I think that waterboarding is justified, just give them a shower cap and some water googles...

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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Waterboarding is nothing more than simulated drowning. No physical harm is done.

    Daniel Pearl would have preferred it.

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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    terrorists dont play by the rules, they don't fight under a flag and they target women and children so I think that waterboarding is justified, just give them a shower cap and some water googles...
    Gorilla warfare is American though good sir.
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Gorilla warfare is American though good sir.

    yes but they were figfhting under a flag and were not targeting civies

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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    terrorists dont play by the rules, they don't fight under a flag and they target women and children so I think that waterboarding is justified, just give them a shower cap and some water googles...
    What if the individual in question - for instance, an innocent prisoner at Gitmo - is NOT a terrorist, but is perhaps suspected of being one?
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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    What if the individual in question - for instance, an innocent prisoner at Gitmo - is NOT a terrorist, but is perhaps suspected of being one?

    what if the man doing life is innocent, what if the man you let go was actually guilty. That is always the risk we run

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