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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

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    Read full article here: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama - CSMonitor.com
    Is this a campaign stunt to gain support? Yes. Do i agree with what he has to say about water boarding? Absolutely. I also believe it is torture..

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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Waterboarding is something that we put Japanese military officers on trial for, after WWII. The US always regarded the practice as torture until the Necons took power. Then, under Bush, everything changed. Now it has changed again, and for the better.
    The WWII example is a fail, as usual with you. What were the Japanese officers hoping to accomplish with waterboarding? Getting vital information in a timely manner under strict controls or punishing American's for being the enemy?

    There in is the definition of "torture", and the one the Progressives are so dishonest about.
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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    It's much more humane to launch missiles from drones and maim and kill people without 100% guaranteeing you're getting the right people.
    We never signed any treaty or convention saying we wouldn't do that, unlike the Geneva Convention on Torture. Not only that, but we were one of the nations who put forth the motion to create a torture amendment in the first place. It's why we've lost a lot of face.

    But yes... you're right, bombing is also quite inhumane.

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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio, replying to another View Post
    The WWII example is a fail, as usual with you. What were the Japanese officers hoping to accomplish with waterboarding? Getting vital information in a timely manner under strict controls or punishing American's for being the enemy?

    There in is the definition of "torture", and the one the Progressives are so dishonest about.
    You realize that your argument that it is okay to waterboard someone if you have good intentions
    is the same as arguing that it is okay to break the arms of someone if you have good intentions.

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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    We never signed any treaty or convention saying we wouldn't do that, unlike the Geneva Convention on Torture. Not only that, but we were one of the nations who put forth the motion to create a torture amendment in the first place. It's why we've lost a lot of face.

    But yes... you're right, bombing is also quite inhumane.
    Waterboarding for information is not torture. Waterboarding prisoners as punishment IS.
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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    You realize that your argument that it is okay to waterboard someone if you have good intentions
    is the same as arguing that it is okay to break the arms of someone if you have good intentions.
    I'd break knuckles and knee caps if the situation warranted it.
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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    We never signed any treaty or convention saying we wouldn't do that, unlike the Geneva Convention on Torture. Not only that, but we were one of the nations who put forth the motion to create a torture amendment in the first place. It's why we've lost a lot of face.

    But yes... you're right, bombing is also quite inhumane.
    Torture and International Law
    The War Crimes Act of 1966 (18 USC Section 2441) prohibits any "grave breach" of the Geneva Conventions.

    The Third Geneva Convention states that prisoners of war must always be "humanely treated" (Article 13) and prohibits "physical and mental torture, [and] any other form of coercion" (Article 18).

    The Fourth Geneva Convention states that civilian prisoners must be protected from "cruel treatment and torture" and "outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment" (Article 3).

    The Bush administration argued that enemy combatants are neither prisoners of war nor civilians, but rather fall into an intermediate category of unlawful combatants. In January 2009, the Obama administration rejected this distinction.
    If waterboarding one guy 183 times doesn't qualify as "cruel treatment and torture," I sure don't know what does.


    In April 2009, a memo released by the Obama administration revealed that terror suspect Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was waterboarded 183 times in March 2003. This suggests that use of waterboarding in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks was most likely not rare.
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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Waterboarding for information is not torture. Waterboarding prisoners as punishment IS.
    We're all aware of the little grey area that George W. Bush put our country into when he water boarded terrorism suspects and enemy combattants, but everyone knows that if you waterboard someone 183 times it's torture.

    I don't know what dimension you come from, but making people think they are about to die of drowning - repeatedly, hundreds of times over months of interrogation - is torture. Obama agrees and the Executive Order is in.

    Now stop apologizing for torturers everywhere. It makes our country look bad.

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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Of course waterboarding is torture. I remember when this was a constant source of discussion here a couple of years ago. All definitions and information that I read and looked up designated waterboarding as torture. Whether it is or it isn't really is not the issue, though, and that's the point that always got overlooked during these discussions. Waterboarding is torture... the issue is, should we use it or not? Now, we know from research that torture is not a reliable method of extracting data. Does it work? Sometimes, but not reliably. However, the question still remains, should we use torture during interrogations?
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