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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    The U.S. should not be torturing people. The Geneva Convention defines something like waterboarding as torture, and in the least would call for a review of this practice. The government knows it's wrong, which is why they did it in territory outside of the Geneva Convention.

    I'm not surprised at all that our government tortures people. There are probably other foreign facilities that we don't even know about where other kinds of grusome techniques are employed. I just wish our government would stop trying to act all self-righteous like it's something we would never do. Our government likely tortures people all the time in classified scenarios.

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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I wasn't aware that the practice had been stopped. This is one situation where I'm quite pleased to be wrong.

    Considering that it is well publicized now that there were only three individuals that were ever subjects of waterboarding it should have been well known, even by the true believers of liberal propaganda.

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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    The U.S. should not be torturing people. The Geneva Convention defines something like waterboarding as torture, and in the least would call for a review of this practice. The government knows it's wrong, which is why they did it in territory outside of the Geneva Convention.

    I'm not surprised at all that our government tortures people. There are probably other foreign facilities that we don't even know about where other kinds of grusome techniques are employed. I just wish our government would stop trying to act all self-righteous like it's something we would never do. Our government likely tortures people all the time in classified scenarios.

    Your suppositions are not evidence of anything other than your willingness to believe the worst of your own country.

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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Your suppositions are not evidence of anything other than your willingness to believe the worst of your own country.
    The Geneva Convention is real. I suggest you read it.

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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    The Geneva Convention is real. I suggest you read it.

    And I suggest you offer some fact instead of your opinions, and then there can be real dialogue. Sans that you are just showing your arse, and one would wonder what hypocrisy you tell yourself to remain in a country you loathe.


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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    How do these supposed brightest and best who are handled by the supposed brightest and best manage to step in dog **** all the time?? Correct answer should have been:

    Waterboarding is now illegal...President Obama signed an Executive Order making it so. I'm OK with that.
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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    How do these supposed brightest and best who are handled by the supposed brightest and best manage to step in dog **** all the time?? Correct answer should have been:



    Christ, don't these people know how to pick their battles?

    Not to mention that I feel like the debates are constantly stuck in 2007 purposely to not have to address what is going on now.


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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Article 3

    Article 3 says:
    In the case of armed conflict not of an international character occurring in the territory of one of the High Contracting Parties, each party to the conflict shall be bound to apply, as a minimum, the following provisions: 1. Persons taking no active part in the hostilities, including members of armed forces who have laid down their arms and those placed hors de combat by sickness, wounds, detention, or any other cause, shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, without any adverse distinction founded on race, colour, religion or faith, sex, birth or wealth, or any other similar criteria. To this end the following acts are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever with respect to the above-mentioned persons:
    (a) Violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture;
    (b) Taking of hostages;
    (c) Outrages upon personal dignity, in particular, humiliating and degrading treatment;
    (d) The passing of sentences and the carrying out of executions without previous judgment pronounced by a regularly constituted court affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples.


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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    How do these supposed brightest and best who are handled by the supposed brightest and best manage to step in dog **** all the time?? Correct answer should have been:

    Christ, don't these people know how to pick their battles?
    Considering that an executive order was what resulted in the tortures in the first place, I see it as poetic justice that an executive order has ended it.

    Congress should never have given POTUS this kind of signing authority, or the authority to deploy our standing army to anywhere in the world without a Congressional vote. At least Obama used it to end tortures that were a complete and utter embarrassment to our international reputation, but for the record I do not believe he should have such signing authority.

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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    Considering that an executive order was what resulted in the tortures in the first place, I see it as poetic justice that an executive order has ended it.

    Congress should never have given POTUS this kind of signing authority, or the authority to deploy our standing army to anywhere in the world without a Congressional vote. At least Obama used it to end tortures that were a complete and utter embarrassment to our international reputation, but for the record I do not believe he should have such signing authority.
    I doubt that the Executive Order countermanded any existing law. It simply established policy. That's probably what it's bests used for. But I do agree with you...too much authority in many instances. And deploying? I'm soooo with you on that one.
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