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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Waterboarding extracted the intel that allowed the military to find OBL during the Obama administration. That is a fact.
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    Lmao, no it didn't. Oh wait, I know what you're going to do now, you're going to cite the half quote of "enhanced interrogation techniques" by Leon Panetta as proof? Good luck with that.
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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    I think we should do everything we can to handicap our intel gathering capabilites.
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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Has Obama issued an Executive Order stopping the use of waterboarding on our own troops during SERE training?

    If not, why not? Surely we don't torture our own soldiers?


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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Lmao, no it didn't. Oh wait, I know what you're going to do now, you're going to cite the half quote of "enhanced interrogation techniques" by Leon Panetta as proof? Good luck with that.
    And, you know this how?
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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Whether or not waterboarding has ever produced information is irrelevant. There are other ways to get information besides torture. Especially this type of extreme torture. I agree that our government should be able to use techniques to get information from people who are clearly lying, however, waterboarding is going too far. You have to draw the line somewhere. We are a civilized country. Well we are supposedly civilized.

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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by friday View Post
    Waterboarding is not torture. It is a technique that I don't think the military should use on combatants who fall under US law or the Geneva conventions. However, the Geneva Conventions do not apply to non-uniformed enemy combatants except in the case where they are members of a peaceful nation/organization that has been quickly invaded and they have not had a chance to form an army/militia with rank and identifying uniform. That is not the case with Al Qaida. Human decency is what guides our treatment of captured terrorists, not any laws or conventions. And I do not believe that pouring water on an illegal terrorist's face in order to save thousands of innocent lives is beyond the scope of American human decency. It certainly is not beyond precedent. In WWII we would hang non-uniformed enemy combatants with nothing more than a military trial.
    Waterboarding is something that we put Japanese military officers on trial for, after WWII. The US always regarded the practice as torture until the Necons took power. Then, under Bush, everything changed. Now it has changed again, and for the better.
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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Waterboarding is something that we put Japanese military officers on trial for, after WWII. The US always regarded the practice as torture until the Necons took power. Then, under Bush, everything changed. Now it has changed again, and for the better.
    Crazy how we completely ignore history sometimes.
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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I think we should do everything we can to handicap our intel gathering capabilites.
    I think we should do everything we can to not sink to the level of our enemies and maintain our status as the unequivocal good guys. No matter how hard we fight, if we sacrifice what we're fighting for, we still lose.
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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    And, you know this how?
    Banned since Obama took office, head of the Senate Armed Services Committee, John McCain, said it didn't, the name for Bin Laden's courier came from somebody who hadn't been held in Guantanamo, as stated by the head of the CIA, the list of evidence against any claims that waterboarding led to Bin Laden is overwhelming. Peter King and the other torture sycophants are simply talking out of their asses. The people who are actually in charge said it didn't. Now go troll elsewhere.
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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    how in the world is Obama saying that waterboarding is torture breaking news?
    Obviously you didn't watch the press conference last night!
    Last edited by pbrauer; 11-14-11 at 08:10 PM.


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