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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yeah, except now with the new rules, the likely hood of those that could have been captured and given useful intel, will just be killed.

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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by CedarBear View Post
    Even better.
    Were you wearing pom-poms when you typed that?

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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    The problem is we water board innocent people.

    Really? KSM was innocent? What innocent people have been waterboarded? And be sure to include your proof of claim please, I do not take your word for it.

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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yeah, except now with the new rules, the likely hood of those that could have been captured and given useful intel, will just be killed.

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    Not true. Seriously. it isn't. The fact remains there are far more effective methods. If you want real intel, better to use the most effective methods.

    Oh, and as noted above, we have tortured innocent people, and there is little way to prevent that from never happening. To protect the innocent, you do have to have rules that include everyone.

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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Really? KSM was innocent? What innocent people have been waterboarded? And be sure to include your proof of claim please, I do not take your word for it.

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    J, I linked these for you years ago. We have tortured innocent people. A couple died. I don't have time now, but if your memory is really that bad, I'll look it for you again later.

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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not true. Seriously. it isn't.
    Not true? Seriously? Oh well, since you threw in the Seriously then I should believe you....

    The fact remains there are far more effective methods. If you want real intel, better to use the most effective methods.
    That is your opinion, doesn't make it true. Sorry.

    Oh, and as noted above, we have tortured innocent people, and there is little way to prevent that from never happening. To protect the innocent, you do have to have rules that include everyone.
    I am sure you can prove your claim here? Give it a go.

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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Has Obama issued an Executive Order stopping the use of waterboarding on our own troops during SERE training?

    If not, why not? Surely we don't torture our own soldiers?


    (/irony)
    What information are they trying to extract from soldiers? What purpose is this "torture" serving but to train soldiers put against it? The post above is a classic example of an asinine statement provided by somebody with little grasp of the word "context".
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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Obama may be against waterboarding, but he isn't against spending up to a $100 million for a new prison in Bagram while advocating for Medicare cuts at home.

    “the construction of Detention Facility in Parwan (DFIP), Bagram, Afghanistan” which includes “detainee housing capability for approximately 2000 detainees.” It will also feature “guard towers, administrative facility and Vehicle/Personnel Access Control Gates, security surveillance and restricted access systems.” The announcement provided: ”the estimated cost of the project is between $25,000,000 to $100,000,000.”
    U.S. to build new massive prison in Bagram - Afghanistan - Salon.com

    Afterall, the population at Bagram has tripled under his watch. "There are currently more than 1,700 detainees at Bagram, up from over 600 at the end of the Bush administration."
    The Gitmo no one talks about - Afghanistan - Salon.com
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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    What information are they trying to extract from soldiers? What purpose is this "torture" serving but to train soldiers put against it? The post above is a classic example of an asinine statement provided by somebody with little grasp of the word "context".

    Waterboarding extracted the intel that allowed the military to find OBL during the Obama administration. That is a fact.

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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Wait a minute....LOL, are you saying it is ongoing? Let's see your proof.

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    I wasn't aware that the practice had been stopped. This is one situation where I'm quite pleased to be wrong.
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