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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    when were you in Basra? I was there Aug '09 - June '10 and almost every Iraqi I met was damn glad we were there
    2004 and then again in 2006, where abouts were you in Basra?

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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    2004 and then again in 2006, where abouts were you in Basra?
    I was the logistics officer, so I spent a good deal of my time on COB inventorying and getting rid of all those connexes of crap you Brits left behind 300+ 8'x8'x40 containers of all kinds of crap that had to be demilled and either turned in or destroyed.

    Although I did have to make regular trips to the BaOC (basra operations center) and the PJCC (provential joint command center) downtown. I was also in charge of the closure of Camp Hutch in Shaiba

    our compound on COB was across the street from the USO building/gym and just up the street from the main dining facility.
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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    I was the logistics officer, so I spent a good deal of my time on COB inventorying and getting rid of all those connexes of crap you Brits left behind 300+ 8'x8'x40 containers of all kinds of crap that had to be demilled and either turned in or destroyed.

    Although I did have to make regular trips to the BaOC (basra operations center) and the PJCC (provential joint command center) downtown. I was also in charge of the closure of Camp Hutch in Shaiba

    our compound on COB was across the street from the USO building/gym and just up the street from the main dining facility.
    very nice! Yeh I was in the palace in 2004, got a little messy with the car bombs but then in 06 I was stationed in the airbase which was a lot less hard work except of course the odd mortar round.How was it after we left, did it settle down?

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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    very nice! Yeh I was in the palace in 2004, got a little messy with the car bombs but then in 06 I was stationed in the airbase which was a lot less hard work except of course the odd mortar round.How was it after we left, did it settle down?
    we only had a handful of IEDs but we still had the regular mortar/rocket attacks at least a couple of times a week. they hit the chow hall the night before we left for home.
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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    we only had a handful of IEDs but we still had the regular mortar/rocket attacks at least a couple of times a week. they hit the chow hall the night before we left for home.
    funny how quickly you get used to the mortar rounds though isn't it, became part of our daily routine at one point.
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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    funny how quickly you get used to the mortar rounds though isn't it, became part of our daily routine at what point.
    yep, first couple of times I put on my battle rattle and went to the bunker, after a couple of weeks I just rolled over and went back to sleep.
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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    And, when those protocols don't work, then what? Throw our hands up and say, "well, we tried!"? Are you ok with American soldiers possibly dieing, because someone was too limp-wristed to rough up a prisoner? I'm not ok with it at all.
    So you're ok then when Americans are tortured by our enemies? In WWII, the Japanese were waterboarding American POWs. I guess you're ok with that since you find torture acceptable.

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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Funny people I met in Basra thought we needed to invade and they seemed pretty happy about it, but of course you know better...
    Rather anadotal on your part, but Iraqi opinion was taken, and alrgely they spoke that they didn't want us there. Not that we asked BTW.

    It was rather imperial on our part to invade with just cause. And it cost everyone in terms of lives and money, not to mention reputation. But this is another discussion.

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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    If you're not being waterboarded, don't worry about it. If you are you are probably a terrorist that wants to kill Americans. If it works to get vital info, great...no one dies from it.

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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by coolwalker View Post
    If you're not being waterboarded, don't worry about it. If you are you are probably a terrorist that wants to kill Americans. If it works to get vital info, great...no one dies from it.
    People do die from it:

    During my 21 years on AD, at least 3 SERE trainees that I personally know of, including one in my class, DIED from waterboarding. This was in a TRAINING environment with EXTENSIVE safety protocols in place. Yet they DIED.
    Oh, and that is a "military reenactment".

    Also, a man was locked in Guantanamo bay for 6 years and he was completely innocent. He got water boarded weekly for all six years... (I'll dig up the story if you make me. I heard it on the radio though...)
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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