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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    It doesnt seem any more right or wrong than any other belief system.
    No, humans pick a side because of what their parents/peers produced to them information wize.
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    This statement is so wrong.
    You think that human tendency is to examine everything no matter how little value the outcome of the decision is to us?
    Maybe you're right. But maybe you're not.

    Rational Irrationality
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Without a thread steal, do you even understand how your belief system works? I highly doubt it.
    I assume I have about as good of a grasp of " how [my] belief system works" as most people. Maybe a little less. IDK. I am not sure how to measure such a thing. If you know how to measure that, I'll do so if I can understand you directions.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    No, humans pick a side because of what their parents/peers produced to them information wize.
    That's what I said.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    No, humans pick a side because of what their parents/peers produced to them information wize.
    Often yes, yet in developed, modern civil societies it has more to do with education and the nature of the ego within the experiences of the individual.

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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    Often yes, yet in developed, modern civil societies it has more to do with education and the nature of the ego within the experiences of the individual.
    But the rewards that we can actually influence are more likely to be the ones that come from our immediate social circles than from influencing the actual things in and of themselves. For things like the topics of this thread, the probability of anyone of us being able to effect a change in the conduct of interrogations by our various national security apparati is virtually nil. Further, the various costs of acquiring information are not nil. It's more "economical" to adopt an opinion which grants some reward that we can influence. And acquiring that reward can be had by adherence to or revolting against the norms of whatever social circle we have found ourselves in. This is not to say that all of our decisions are thus, but rather that we have this tendency. Political parties offer a way of branding issues that allow people to arrive at conclusions w/o having to pay the costs of acquiring information or having to think about things that hard. Again not saying that everyone does this all the time, but just that it is a human tendency.
    Present company excluded of course.

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    Beliefs about politics and religion often have three puzzling properties: systematic bias, high certainty, and little informational basis. The theory of rational ignorance (Downs 1957) explains only the low level of information. The current paper presents a general model of “rational irrationality,” which explains all three stylized facts. According to the theory of rational irrationality, being irrational - in the sense of deviating from rational expectations - is a good like any other; the lower the private cost, the more agents buy. A peculiar feature of beliefs about politics, religion, etc. is that the private repercussions of error are virtually nonexistent, setting the private cost of irrationality at zero; it is therefore in these areas that irrational views are most apparent. The consumption of irrationality can be optimal, but it will usually not be when the private and the social cost of irrationality differ – for example, in elections.
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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    But the rewards that we can actually influence are more likely to be the ones that come from our immediate social circles than from influencing the actual things in and of themselves. For things like the topics of this thread, the probability of anyone of us being able to effect a change in the conduct of interrogations by our various national security apparati is virtually nil. Further, the various costs of acquiring information are not nil. It's more "economical" to adopt an opinion which grants some reward that we can influence. And acquiring that reward can be had by adherence to or revolting against the norms of whatever social circle we have found ourselves in. This is not to say that all of our decisions are thus, but rather that we have this tendency. Political parties offer a way of branding issues that allow people to arrive at conclusions w/o having to pay the costs of acquiring information of having to think about things that hard. Again not saying that everyone does this all the time, but just that it is a human tendency.
    Present company excluded of course.
    I can't read this Im drunk.

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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    I can't read this Im drunk.
    Lucky you.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    but your fine with bombing them and sending the troops over to clean up the mess, just as long as the folks back home don't have to hear the gory details right?
    Where have I said I was fine with that?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    The people participating in this thread really aren't monsters. On the average, they're likely to be pretty decent folk irl
    I whole heartly agree with you. But I will say this, it isn't usually monsters who do monstrous things. Generally good people too often accept an authority, follow the rules as they understand them, and end up doing things they would have never considered monstrous. Sadly.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Where have I said I was fine with that?

    so what are you fine with? How would you deal with them?

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