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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    yes, it is effective at getting confessions. As you point out, even the innocent will confess.

    That, however, is not information gathering. I suggest you not only do some homework, but read and understand what I have said.

    It's effective at getting information, as well. You're not going to rat out your unit, without being turtured, first...right? Or will you just sell them out for a pack of oreos and a glass of milk?
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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's effective at getting information, as well. You're not going to rat out your unit, without being turtured, first...right? Or will you just sell them out for a pack of oreos and a glass of milk?
    And yet, we've gotten better intel without torture and misinformation with torture. I have provided links along the way.

    Your silly attempt at humor doesn't change the facts.

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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And yet, we've gotten better intel without torture and misinformation with torture. I have provided links along the way.

    Your silly attempt at humor doesn't change the facts.
    Prove it, my friend.
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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Prove it, my friend.
    I have. Read the links.

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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I'll ask again: Do you think that a hardcore terrorist is going to think to himself, "gee, they've been so nice to me, that I'm going to tell them everything I know"?

    Tell us what you think.



    Right and signing those confessions equates to treason against the United States. Are you saying that you would voluntarily commit treason, or would they have to make you do it?

    I seriously doubt you can relate, but would you endager the lives of the other members of your military unit, without being tortured first? Or, are you going to keep the information to yourself, until they beat it out of you?
    those prisoners signed false confessions. so much for torture being effective. what don't you get about this? torture someone enough, they'll say ANYTHING.

    anyway...here you go:

    1. Torture and cruel treatment yield unreliable results.

    No systematic study has ever shown that the infliction of torture or coercion elicits reliable information or actionable intelligence. According to the U.S. Army’s own field manual on interrogation, published in September 2006, torture “is a poor technique that yields unreliable results, may damage subsequent collection efforts, and can induce the source to say what he thinks the [human intelligence] collector wants to hear.” As veteran FBI interrogator Joe Navarro put it, “the only thing torture guarantees you is pain.”


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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    those prisoners signed false confessions. so much for torture being effective. what don't you get about this? torture someone enough, they'll say ANYTHING.
    They committed treason. I would say that torture was very effective in this instance.

    The point is, a coke and a smile isn't going to convince a highly motivate, hard-core terrorist to tell what he knows.

    That being a fact, how do you propose we extract information from these people, or do you propose that wouldn't shouldn't even try and remain intel-deficient?
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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I have. Read the links.
    New paper articles, in this case, don't prove your case.
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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    New paper articles, in this case, don't prove your case.
    We have experts in the field speaking and actual, verifiable examples like al Libi. You're just hanging on because you don't want to believe the evidence.

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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by jambalaya View Post
    Once again I ask, what other more effective methods are we not using?
    I think a number of them involved trickery, deduction, mind games and things like that.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    New paper articles, in this case, don't prove your case.
    BTW, I've at least offered some evidence. Do you have any that it works? Be carefully, my links show whate the Bush team presented prove not to be the case.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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