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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by CedarBear View Post
    Waterboarding is nothing more than simulated drowning. No physical harm is done.
    Daniel Pearl would have preferred it.
    Drowning means dying from asphyxiation brought on from water in the lungs. So I am not sure why you chose to use the phrase "nothing more"--waterboarding is nothing more than a simulation of killing someone. IDK. It just sound like a weird place for the phrase, imho. ymmv.

    In the US anyway, the definition of torture includes psychological torture.

    Daniel Pearl would have preferred to come home unharmed to his wife and unborn child over being water boarded. He also may have preferred chocolate ice cream to vanilla ice cream.

    Is there a point in your post somewhere? Just curious.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    terrorists dont play by the rules, they don't fight under a flag and they target women and children so I think that waterboarding is justified, just give them a shower cap and some water googles...
    So, we should aspire to be more like them? I quite disagree, especially when what you advocate is less likley to get us reliable information.

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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    what if the man doing life is innocent, what if the man you let go was actually guilty. That is always the risk we run
    Not an acceptable risk for people with clear moral codes who adhere to rule of law.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    So, we should aspire to be more like them? I quite disagree, especially when what you advocate is less likley to get us reliable information.
    We should aspire to win the war. There aren't any points for good sportsmanship.

    If we have to rough-up a few scumbag terrorists, then that's cool with me.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    Read full article here: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama - CSMonitor.com
    Is this a campaign stunt to gain support? Yes. Do i agree with what he has to say about water boarding? Absolutely. I also believe it is torture..

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    BRIAN WILLIAMS: “Can you confirm that it was as a result of waterboadring that we learned what we needed to learn to go after Bin Laden?”

    LEON PANETTA: “Clearly some of it came from detainees and the advanced interrogation of detainees…”

    BRIAN WILLIAMS: “Are you saying that waterboarding was in part among the tactics used to extract the intelligence that led to this successful mission.”

    LEON PANETTA: “I think some of the detainees, uh, clearly, uh, they used these advanced interrogation techniques against some of these detainees.”

    BRIAN WILLIAMS: “So finer point, one final time, that includes waterboarding?”

    LEON PANETTA: “That is correct.”
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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Gorilla warfare is American though good sir.
    Actually, it's Spanish. The term, "guerilla", was coined during the Peninsular War.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Ah. So if you implicitly agree to be tortured, it's okay. Got it.
    since our soldiers volunteer for the training, they are volunteering to be waterboarded
    since the terrorist POS voluntarily became terrorist POS, they are volunteering to be waterboarded
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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    We should aspire to win the war. There aren't any points for good sportsmanship.

    If we have to rough-up a few scumbag terrorists, then that's cool with me.
    Us winning was and is never dependent on us torturing anyone. In fact, there was and is no chance of al Qaeda or any such group ever beating us. We can only defeat ourselves by losing sight of what makes us different, us better, and betraying our own values and our own laws.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Us winning was and is never dependent on us torturing anyone. In fact, there was and is no chance of al Qaeda or any such group ever beating us. We can only defeat ourselves by losing sight of what makes us different, us better, and betraying our own values and our own laws.
    But, it is dependent on gathering as much information about the enemy as possible and orture may be needed to collect that information.

    Wars have been lost because of intelligence failures.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: 'Waterboarding is torture,' says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    But, it is dependent on gathering as much information about the enemy as possible and orture may be needed to collect that information.

    Wars have been lost because of intelligence failures.
    Not really, not in what we face today. But, again, the most unrelaible way to gather information it through torture. Torture is much more effective at getting confessions. Even the innocent will confess. If you want information, you use more effective methods.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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