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    Re: NBA Lockout: NBPA Rejects Deal, Announces It Will File For Decertification

    Come on, basketball doesn't even follow its own rules. Penalties are called depending on your popularity, traveling no longer exists, the refs were betting on the games and wasn't one in league with the mafia? It's not a sport, it's sport entertainment; and we already have wrestling.
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    Re: NBA Lockout: NBPA Rejects Deal, Announces It Will File For Decertification

    The players are idiots. They don't realize that the owners hold every card in this.

    The owners, at least 22 of them, are gleeful that no NBA season will be played. They will lose far less money by not playing at all. The is nothing like the NFL situation, where billions were at stake for both sides.

    NBA television ratings are pathetic, even a Finals like this year when intrigue was pretty high. The league is simply not that popular, and it's viewed by many as a just a band of overhyped, pompous thugs, even by professional athlete standards.

    Simply put, most of the owners are giddy, and they are determined to get this thing to a money-making structure before a ball is ever bounced in an NBA game ever again.

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    Re: NBA Lockout: NBPA Rejects Deal, Announces It Will File For Decertification

    Let the players disband, decertify, and leave. The NBA is one league that needs to start over.

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    Re: NBA Lockout: NBPA Rejects Deal, Announces It Will File For Decertification

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The players are idiots. They don't realize that the owners hold every card in this.

    The owners, at least 22 of them, are gleeful that no NBA season will be played. They will lose far less money by not playing at all. The is nothing like the NFL situation, where billions were at stake for both sides.

    NBA television ratings are pathetic, even a Finals like this year when intrigue was pretty high. The league is simply not that popular, and it's viewed by many as a just a band of overhyped, pompous thugs, even by professional athlete standards.

    Simply put, most of the owners are giddy, and they are determined to get this thing to a money-making structure before a ball is ever bounced in an NBA game ever again.
    This is true to a certain extent. As I've said before, the players stand to lose much more than the owners in the event of a lost season. However, a lost season is not without repercussions for the owners as well. On the one hand, it's true that most of them are willing to sacrifice a season in order to get a better deal. However, a lost season will also do severe damage to the league's image and it will thus lose a lot of its fans/viewership, much like when Jordan retired for the second time, and the '99 lockout that followed that.

    I'm not sure if it's smart for the players union to adopt the "nuclear option" and playing hardball as a strategy, but I certainly don't blame them for doing so, because they've consistently been handed a sequence of ****ty deals by the Stern and the owners, and perhaps the only way to get the league to budge is by taking this battle to the courts.
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    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: NBA Lockout: NBPA Rejects Deal, Announces It Will File For Decertification

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I agree with you completely as to the point by point list you provided of how the game was changed. To me, all those things turned the game into a one on one game where the clear out was now the main way to score. If the game was refereed today as it was years ago, traveling would be called for carrying the ball on almost every other possession if not every possession. When you let an offensive player get away with that, there is no need to pass the ball. The villain in all this is the dunk. People went crazy for the dunk and so the league gave people what they wanted. Look at how Kareem and Walton both said that the inability to do a dunk in college due to its prohibition made them a far better ball player.

    And really, the success of failure of the Pistons made no difference for me. I am not a homer by any means. I spent many years in my half court season ticket 12 rows up from the court cheering wildly for Larry Bird and the Celtics.
    Point taken. I was merely pointing out that perhaps the fact that you felt that your game experience consisted of mostly other distracting activities was due to the fact that the on-court product is simply garbage. that's what horrible teams have to do to attract fans to the arenas these days.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: NBA Lockout: NBPA Rejects Deal, Announces It Will File For Decertification

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Let the players disband, decertify, and leave. The NBA is one league that needs to start over.
    I wonder if this is what they really want.

    Start over with an overhauled version of the NBA. This league definitely needs a dramatic culture change. What LeBron did, orchestrating the Heat the way he did, followed by Carmelo doing the same thing in New York, has left a really sour taste in both the owners and fans mouths.

    Players in the NFL are not bigger than the league. Guys like Peyton Manning miss a season, and the league doesn't skip a beat.

    I think that's what many NBA owners want their league to be, too.

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    Re: NBA Lockout: NBPA Rejects Deal, Announces It Will File For Decertification

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    They are forced to bargain in exactly the way the union wants. If that wasn't true it wouldn't matter what kind of deal they put on the table. It does though, doesn't it? You even admitted it. The deal was **** according to you, for what I assume is nothing more than they got less money then before. Is it a bad deal when the owners get less money? No. Why would it be? Oh I don't know, because they own everything. It would piss me off enough if they were just forced to bargain(they are) but they also have to give in to what the union wants and that just throws me off the deep end of pissed. Freedom just goes right out the window so hard only because they own the business and that is it. Its bull****.

    And don't tell I don't understand the economics. I do. The deal they made last time bit them in the ass and they needed to get some money back from the unions, but the entire time the players were playing stupid. At first it all was a lie, and then it was kind of a lie, and now they just don't want to talk anymore. Yeah, they showed a real ability to bargain in good faith. Bull****.
    The problem with your logic is that there IS NO UNION. It decertified, and the players are going to court on antitrust laws.
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    Re: NBA Lockout: NBPA Rejects Deal, Announces It Will File For Decertification

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    The problem with your logic is that there IS NO UNION. It decertified, and the players are going to court on antitrust laws.
    Actually, the problem with Henrin's logic is that he's simply wrong and has turned the whole situation on its head. Throughout all of these negotations, it's the players who have had to negotiate on the owners' terms, but Henrin is somehow deluded into thinking that it's the other way around.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: NBA Lockout: NBPA Rejects Deal, Announces It Will File For Decertification

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    At this point I don't really care who is being unreasonable, and who isn't...I think they both are, and ****ting all over the people that make their sport possible in the first place.

    I tell ya, I remember growing up going to see the Lions, Tigers, and Pistons for less than $20 buck tickets. Now if I want to take my son to the game it is going to cost a minimum of $150, possibly $200 to see a game. That's BS! They just are not worth that much of MY hard earned labor.

    Growing up I went to the same Junior High School as Magic Johnson, and saw how in the 8th grade the NBA scouts would take him out of class and groom him. These players, many of them hit the lottery, and because of unions, and the nature of collective bargaining who suffers? We do. I think I am going to stick to watching golf. At least golfers aren't bargaining for ever more ticket pricing.

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    The sad thing is seeing some of the players from the days when they got paid at about the rate of a used car salesman. Many of them can barely walk as a result their injuries and they have little or nothing to show for it. Fortunately for them the players union negotiated a pension program that benefits older players.

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    Re: NBA Lockout: NBPA Rejects Deal, Announces It Will File For Decertification

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    The problem with your logic is that there IS NO UNION. It decertified, and the players are going to court on antitrust laws.
    Maybe the NBA players should look at how well the NFL players did with decertifying and suing based on antitrust laws.

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