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    Re: NBA Lockout: NBPA Rejects Deal, Announces It Will File For Decertification

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yes, because the millions they make wouldn't support anyone....Overpaid, overpriced, and spoiled children the whole damned lot of them.....


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    And what precisely does that make the owners, who just sit on the sidelines or in the VIP boxes while the players actually put the product on the court, and their health and bodies at risk?

    And my point wasn't that players literally can't survive a year without pay. But the owners can sure weather the storm a lot more than the players can.
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    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: NBA Lockout: NBPA Rejects Deal, Announces It Will File For Decertification

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    And what precisely does that make the owners, who just sit on the sidelines or in the VIP boxes while the players actually put the product on the court, and their health and bodies at risk?
    The owners that charge what people will pay? You enjoy stupid questions?

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    Re: NBA Lockout: NBPA Rejects Deal, Announces It Will File For Decertification

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    And what precisely does that make the owners, who just sit on the sidelines or in the VIP boxes while the players actually put the product on the court, and their health and bodies at risk?

    Oh wait a minute, you mean the owners that sign the million dollar paychecks? You mean the owners that make it possible for these players to be players and not in jail, dead, or gym teachers? Those owners?


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    Re: NBA Lockout: NBPA Rejects Deal, Announces It Will File For Decertification

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The owners that charge what people will pay? You enjoy stupid questions?
    I won't pay it which is why I'm perfectly good with no NBA.

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    Re: NBA Lockout: NBPA Rejects Deal, Announces It Will File For Decertification

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I won't pay it which is why I'm perfectly good with no NBA.
    I won't either and I'm also perfectly fine if the NBA stopped existing all together.

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    Re: NBA Lockout: NBPA Rejects Deal, Announces It Will File For Decertification

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh wait a minute, you mean the owners that sign the million dollar paychecks? You mean the owners that make it possible for these players to be players and not in jail, dead, or gym teachers? Those owners?


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    Or conversely, the players without whose labor it is impossible to put any sort of product on the court? If you've followed the entire process of these CBA negotiations like I have, it has consistently been the owners who have repeatedly been making unreasonable demands, not the players. It's the league and the ownership that are essentially being assholes. I don't begrudge them that - they are essentially being assholes because they can. But let's not pretend that it's the owners who are the victims and its only the players who are the whiny children.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: NBA Lockout: NBPA Rejects Deal, Announces It Will File For Decertification

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Or conversely, the players without whose labor it is impossible to put any sort of product on the court?
    Which you realize are not as important as you put out. These players could easily be replaced tomorrow and you know it.

    If you've followed the entire process of these CBA negotiations like I have, it has consistently been the owners who have repeatedly been making unreasonable demands, not the players. It's the league and the ownership that are essentially being assholes. I don't begrudge them that - they are essentially being assholes because they can. But let's not pretend that it's the owners who are the victims and its only the players who are the whiny children.
    You were probably bitching the first time an offer was put out that included less money for the players.

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    Re: NBA Lockout: NBPA Rejects Deal, Announces It Will File For Decertification

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    How is that comparable to what I said?
    Seriously, I need to explain it to you? Because the NBA and other organizations like MLB offer different products to the same consumers, much like Electric and Water companies.
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    Re: NBA Lockout: NBPA Rejects Deal, Announces It Will File For Decertification

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Which you realize are not as important as you put out. These players could easily be replaced tomorrow and you know it.
    No. They can't. Not without seriously disrupting the quality of play, if you know anything about professional basketball. You're talking about the 400 best basketball players in the world. If what you said were the case, it would have already happened.

    You were probably bitching the first time an offer was put out that included less money for the players.
    Yes, I was. Not because I'm against giving less money to the players and more to the owners. It's because the initial offer by the league was a complete joke and wasn't made in good faith. When your starting point is completely unreasonable, you can spin any subsequent concessions as honest, good-faith concessions and paint the other side as being unreasonable, when nothing can be further from the truth.
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    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: NBA Lockout: NBPA Rejects Deal, Announces It Will File For Decertification

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    How is that comparable to what I said?
    Because football and basketball are not the same product, genius.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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