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    Re: NBA Lockout: NBPA Rejects Deal, Announces It Will File For Decertification

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    Not true. First off, the NBA claims that 22 teams are losing money, that doesn't mean the owners are losing money. Cash to cover net losses could come from the owners, they could come from outside investors. We don't know, but what we do know is that the league claims that teams wound up collectively in the hole a little over 300 million dollars. The player's association who has seen the figures and how they add up claims that figure is grossly overstated due to technicalities and accounting practices. They claim the correct figure is just over 100 million dollars.

    Meanwhile, a 1% difference in the CBA adds up to 38 million dollars. Owners are asking for another 7 or 8% of the CBA, which obviously adds up to about 300 million dollars, which is (depending on who you believe) more than enough for teams to resume making money.

    Incidentally, if the owners are worried about losing money, they can always sell their team for a profit.
    Not only that, but that ends up being at least somewhere in between 2 or 3 billion dollars at least over the life of the entire contract.

    And it's not just the players that are claiming that the leagues numbers are inflated. Forbes and Nate Silver actually did some of the math and, according to their calculations, the league actually made money last year. Glad that there's finally somebody in this thread who's been keeping up with the situation like me and knows what the **** he is talking about.
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    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: NBA Lockout: NBPA Rejects Deal, Announces It Will File For Decertification

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Not only that, but that ends up being at least somewhere in between 2 or 3 billion dollars at least over the life of the entire contract.

    And it's not just the players that are claiming that the leagues numbers are inflated. Forbes and Nate Silver actually did some of the math and, according to their calculations, the league actually made money last year. Glad that there's finally somebody in this thread who's been keeping up with the situation like me and knows what the **** he is talking about.
    I believe the owners likely do fudge the numbers. I never cared for the arguement that a guy who buys something for $50 million and it now has a value of $300 million is losing money and the only way he can keep up those losses is if the taxpayers builds him a new building to play in.

    That said and I know it's just wishful thinking....I hope this drags out so long that the owners actually do lose money and can only afford to pay the players a fraction of what they are now paid while cutting ticket prices in half to draw in fans.

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    Re: NBA Lockout: NBPA Rejects Deal, Announces It Will File For Decertification

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    I believe the owners likely do fudge the numbers. I never cared for the arguement that a guy who buys something for $50 million and it now has a value of $300 million is losing money and the only way he can keep up those losses is if the taxpayers builds him a new building to play in.
    Yep, what the Forbes analysis discovered was that while the league may have used entirely legitimate accounting techniques, some of them simply weren't kosher from the player's point of view (i.e. franchise purchase amortization)
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: NBA Lockout: NBPA Rejects Deal, Announces It Will File For Decertification

    take out nba, nhl, college nba, and college football. Replace it with Ninja Warrior and American Gladiator,

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    Re: NBA Lockout: NBPA Rejects Deal, Announces It Will File For Decertification

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Not only that, but that ends up being at least somewhere in between 2 or 3 billion dollars at least over the life of the entire contract.

    And it's not just the players that are claiming that the leagues numbers are inflated. Forbes and Nate Silver actually did some of the math and, according to their calculations, the league actually made money last year. Glad that there's finally somebody in this thread who's been keeping up with the situation like me and knows what the **** he is talking about.
    Did you know that TV contracts are expected to be reduced in coming seasons due to the NBA's horrible ratings? Advertising is down as well. Nobody is watching this league outside of local viewers of local teams. The NBA finals drew embarassing numbers despite a pretty intriguing matchup.

    The owners are tearing this union to pieces and and loving every minute of it. Billy Hunter looks like an incompetent, self-absorbed swine and likely won't survive this with a meaningful post in the end.

    Add to that, the owners don't want any more scenarios like what happened with Lebron and Carmelo, where they can just dictate to the owners where they will play and who they'll take with them. They are determined to take control of their league back.

    The owners are in the catbird's seat, and they will win this with ease in the end, because again, they don't have to play when not playing is more profitable than playing.

    The owner's will be in this league for a long, long time. All these players are accomplishing is losing a year of their short career, and they'll never get back the money they are losing. Just ask the NHL players, who regret the stand they took a few years ago and lost a season.

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    Re: NBA Lockout: NBPA Rejects Deal, Announces It Will File For Decertification

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Did you know that TV contracts are expected to be reduced in coming seasons due to the NBA's horrible ratings? Advertising is down as well. Nobody is watching this league outside of local viewers of local teams. The NBA finals drew embarassing numbers despite a pretty intriguing matchup.

    The owners are tearing this union to pieces and and loving every minute of it. Billy Hunter looks like an incompetent, self-absorbed swine and likely won't survive this with a meaningful post in the end.

    Add to that, the owners don't want any more scenarios like what happened with Lebron and Carmelo, where they can just dictate to the owners where they will play and who they'll take with them. They are determined to take control of their league back.

    The owners are in the catbird's seat, and they will win this with ease in the end, because again,
    they don't have to play when not playing is more profitable than playing.

    The owner's will be in this league for a long, long time. All these players are accomplishing is losing a year of their short career, and they'll never get back the money they are losing. Just ask the NHL players, who regret the stand they took a few years ago and lost a season.
    yes, because the nba teams owners have figured out that it is so much more profitable NOT to have anything to sell
    imagine how much more money they would make by disbanding the league
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: NBA Lockout: NBPA Rejects Deal, Announces It Will File For Decertification

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    yes, because the nba teams owners have figured out that it is so much more profitable NOT to have anything to sell
    imagine how much more money they would make by disbanding the league
    I get it. You're pro-union. I'm not. We've reached an impasse.

    Some of these teams are going out of business, but according to your business background, all you have to do is keep the doors open, and the shop will always be profitable. How could 85 percent of all businesses fail? They need only ask you, and their problems are solved.

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    Re: NBA Lockout: NBPA Rejects Deal, Announces It Will File For Decertification

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    I get it. You're pro-union. I'm not. We've reached an impasse.
    no impasse. we have reached a conclusion. you have been shown absolutely ignorant about anything economic. spouting off crap about businesses that cease operations can become profitable while business entities that engage in business activities will remain unprofitable. all you have posted has been inanity

    Some of these teams are going out of business, but according to your business background, all you have to do is keep the doors open, and the shop will always be profitable.
    please copy and paste my post where i have said that. these are simply more ignorant, unfounded machinations evidencing a complete lack of economic understanding

    How could 85 percent of all businesses fail? They need only ask you, and their problems are solved.
    actually, they do ask me. even after retirement. my quarter century career was spent as a loan officer and federal contracting officer helping small businesses to survive and thrive
    and your data is incomplete. approximately half of small businesses survive for four years. one third of those that do not survive are not gone because they failed but because they were so successful that they cashed out
    those businesses with start up capital requirements exceeding $50,000 have a much higher success rate than those who began on a shoe string
    but come back to us when you can actually explain why businesses are more profitable when they discontinue their business operations. those feeble attempts are always good for a laugh
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: NBA Lockout: NBPA Rejects Deal, Announces It Will File For Decertification

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Did you know that TV contracts are expected to be reduced in coming seasons due to the NBA's horrible ratings? Advertising is down as well. Nobody is watching this league outside of local viewers of local teams. The NBA finals drew embarassing numbers despite a pretty intriguing matchup.The owners are tearing this union to pieces and and loving every minute of it. Billy Hunter looks like an incompetent, self-absorbed swine and likely won't survive this with a meaningful post in the end.

    Add to that, the owners don't want any more scenarios like what happened with Lebron and Carmelo, where they can just dictate to the owners where they will play and who they'll take with them. They are determined to take control of their league back.

    The owners are in the catbird's seat, and they will win this with ease in the end, because again, they don't have to play when not playing is more profitable than playing.

    The owner's will be in this league for a long, long time. All these players are accomplishing is losing a year of their short career, and they'll never get back the money they are losing. Just ask the NHL players, who regret the stand they took a few years ago and lost a season.
    That's simply not true. Several games in the Finals series drew record viewership, while the Finals gave ABC its best summer in a decade.

    As for everything else, alright, the owners have the upper hand. Tell us something we don't already know.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: NBA Lockout: NBPA Rejects Deal, Announces It Will File For Decertification

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    no impasse. we have reached a conclusion. you have been shown absolutely ignorant about anything economic. spouting off crap about businesses that cease operations can become profitable while business entities that engage in business activities will remain unprofitable. all you have posted has been inanity


    please copy and paste my post where i have said that. these are simply more ignorant, unfounded machinations evidencing a complete lack of economic understanding


    actually, they do ask me. even after retirement. my quarter century career was spent as a loan officer and federal contracting officer helping small businesses to survive and thrive
    and your data is incomplete. approximately half of small businesses survive for four years. one third of those that do not survive are not gone because they failed but because they were so successful that they cashed out
    those businesses with start up capital requirements exceeding $50,000 have a much higher success rate than those who began on a shoe string
    but come back to us when you can actually explain why businesses are more profitable when they discontinue their business operations. those feeble attempts are always good for a laugh
    Yeah, you have such a deep understanding of businesses like the NBA, which are virtually excluded from anti-trust laws.

    Your union-loving mind wants to believe that these owners are dripping in profits, and they want to get their greedy hands on even more money. Which is exactly why they handed out $100 million contracts to players before, right?

    The economics of the league changed, and didn't meet the projected growth of league. Not by a long shot. Therefore, changes must be made to get the thing in line again within an acceptable margin. It's really that simple. This is sink or swim for more than half the NBA teams, which are bleeding money.

    You were game-set-matched a long time ago, so break out the liberal rule book, call me stupid and mix in a vocabulary word. Don't forget the race card because I obviously hate blacks since I'm anti-basketball player.

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