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    Re: NBA Lockout: NBPA Rejects Deal, Announces It Will File For Decertification

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    I also believe the players deserve a majority of the BRI. I think if you've ran a business you would know the owners have it good when it comes to labor costs.
    100% agreed. I'm largely on the players side in this, but I do believe they need to give some concessions on BRI. When the league is posting record revenues and is still losing money as a whole, that's not a sustainable business model. I'm still of the opinion that the players deserve more than 50% though.
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    Re: NBA Lockout: NBPA Rejects Deal, Announces It Will File For Decertification

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    100% agreed. I'm largely on the players side in this, but I do believe they need to give some concessions on BRI. When the league is posting record revenues and is still losing money as a whole, that's not a sustainable business model. I'm still of the opinion that the players deserve more than 50% though.
    Than why are the owners demanding a 50-50 split. the players already agreed to bring it down to 53 which i think is fair.

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    Re: NBA Lockout: NBPA Rejects Deal, Announces It Will File For Decertification

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    Than why are the owners demanding a 50-50 split. the players already agreed to bring it down to 53 which i think is fair.
    Yep, I agree a 50-50 split is essentially the owners wanting guaranteed profitability even when they **** up, insuring themselves from their own mistakes. Some hardliners like MJ even want a 47-53 split, which is completely hypocritical and ridiculous on his part. Also, the owners should entertain more ideas for revenue sharing.
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    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: NBA Lockout: NBPA Rejects Deal, Announces It Will File For Decertification

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The owners have no league without the players. The owners have no media draw without the players. The owners have no revenue without the players.
    and players and owners have no reason to have a league without fans, no reason for media draw without fans, and no revenue without fans.
    Forbes magazine reported that almost half the teams in the NBA lost money last year. It is past time for the owners and players to be realistic in salaries and take into account that fans may not support the high cost of attending the games.
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    Re: NBA Lockout: NBPA Rejects Deal, Announces It Will File For Decertification

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The owners have no league without the players. The owners have no media draw without the players. The owners have no revenue without the players.
    The majority of owners are losing money by the bushel with the players. They are giddy at the lack of a season right now.

    The Mavericks won a title, and Cuban still lost millions.

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    Re: NBA Lockout: NBPA Rejects Deal, Announces It Will File For Decertification

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The majority of owners are losing money by the bushel with the players. They are giddy at the lack of a season right now.

    The Mavericks won a title, and Cuban still lost millions.
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    why is it the players' fault that the owners are weak business people
    and every owner is in a position to sell their franchise for more than they paid for it. how many businesses do you know where the operation loses money year to year and still gets sold for a higher amount than that for which it was purchased

    why would the players be giddy for the loss of their pay checks for a year

    the only thing you have demonstrated is a continuing ignorance of the topic
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: NBA Lockout: NBPA Rejects Deal, Announces It Will File For Decertification

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The majority of owners are losing money by the bushel with the players. They are giddy at the lack of a season right now.The Mavericks won a title, and Cuban still lost millions.
    If this were true, most of these owners would be rushing to the exits to sell their teams right now. They are not.
    Last edited by StillBallin75; 11-15-11 at 04:57 PM.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: NBA Lockout: NBPA Rejects Deal, Announces It Will File For Decertification

    NBA Lockout: What The Players Union's 'Disclaimer Of Interest' Means For The Future - SBNation.com

    excellent overview of the present standoff
    i do wonder why mediators were not brought in to facilitate negotiations before the nuclear option was exercised
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: NBA Lockout: NBPA Rejects Deal, Announces It Will File For Decertification

    Thank for posting that bubba - excellent overview.
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    Re: NBA Lockout: NBPA Rejects Deal, Announces It Will File For Decertification

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    If this were true, most of these owners would be rushing to the exits to sell their teams right now. They are not.
    Unless they were thinking there was hope...

    Clearly someone can't read and its not the owners that are sharing financial information with the players.

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