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Walker recall effort to start at midnight

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Madison - The recall effort against GOP Gov. Scott Walker and Lt. Gov. Rebecca Kleefisch will start at midnight, organizers said Monday.
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In addition, recalls are to be launched against 3 more Republican Senators. Since 2 of them won in Blue districts, there is no doubt that the Senate is going to be flipped. As for the Governor going down, that is going to be a tall order, and I predict that it will not succeed. However, Walker's agenda will be toast, and he will effectively be stopped.

On the chopping block?

Governor Scott Walker
Lt. Governor Rebecca Kleefisch
Senator Pam Galloway
Senator Terry Moulton
Senator Van Wanggaard

This is what Democracy looks like, folks, especially when someone lies during his campaign and, once in office, works as hard as he can to thwart the will of the people who elected him. What was promised as repairing a budget deficit was delivered as an attempt to bust the unions and destroy the educational system, while giving special tax breaks to the Koch Brothers, who bought him lock, stock, and barrel.

Never again!!

Article is here.
 
Hopefully Walker and the others beat the recall.We need more politicians in office to strip away union power.
 
jamesrage said:
Hopefully Walker and the others beat the recall.We need more politicians in office to strip away union power.
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Not if that is what the people of Wisonsin want, and it seems they value unions there, hence the beatdown that is now happening there.
 
danarhea said:
Not if that is what the people of Wisonsin want, and it seems they value unions there, hence the beatdown that is now happening there.
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So if the people said enough of union power you would support what Walker is doing?
 
jamesrage said:
Hopefully Walker and the others beat the recall.We need more politicians in office to strip away union power.
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Really!!!! You want big bad powerful GOVERNMENT to interfere in an economic arrangement between workers and employers!!!!!?????? That seems a betrayal of both conservative and libertarian principles.
 
danarhea said:
Not if that is what the people of Wisonsin want, and it seems they value unions there, hence the beatdown that is now happening there.
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Here in Michigan we just successfully recalled last week Rep. Paul Scott who presided as Chairman over the House Education Committee and saw law after law attack teacher union rights. He is no longer a state rep and was the first successful recall here in 28 years.

The winds have indeed shifted and the sleeping giant has stirred and is awakened.
 
jamesrage said:
Hopefully Walker and the others beat the recall.We need more politicians in office to strip away union power.
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I might agree that Unions often wield their excessive power like a sledgehammer, but we needed them in years past due to the Republican/Corporate agenda. If nothing else, that must be stopped. I'm happy that people are beginning to realize that what's good for business is seldom good for them and you can substitute Republicans for business in this sentence. It takes truly egregious behaviour for the voters to see through the Corporate scams, but they are awakening. No thanks to the printed media. The Internet is a different matter and the truth resides therein, as well as buckets of bullcrap and nonsense that we are allowed to use our own censors on.
 
jamesrage said:
So if the people said enough of union power you would support what Walker is doing?
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Dan is a big government Union guy, he'd never accept the people said "enough with union power". Unions, ARE power for him.
 
jamesrage said:
Hopefully Walker and the others beat the recall.We need more politicians in office to strip away union power.
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hopefully walker and the others are tossed out on their collective ass
 
danarhea said:
This is what Democracy looks like, folks...
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You're exactly right...

Amount spent on all state legislative races in 2010: $3.75 million. Amount spent on recall elections targeting eight state senators: $31 million.
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The best democracy money can buy...if Republicans lose these recalls, 280,000 get their way and 5 million taxpayers get screwed.
 
haymarket said:
Really!!!! You want big bad powerful GOVERNMENT to interfere in an economic arrangement between workers and employers!!!!!?????? That seems a betrayal of both conservative and libertarian principles.
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The tax payers are the employers of these teachers, firemen,politicians and other tax payer funded employees.
 
MaggieD said:
You're exactly right...



The best democracy money can buy...if Republicans lose these recalls, 280,000 get their way and 5 million taxpayers get screwed.
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actually Maggie its if Republicans lose these recalls it is because the people spoke and exercised their right to vote. ;)
 
DaveFagan said:
I might agree that Unions often wield their excessive power like a sledgehammer, but we needed them in years past due to the Republican/Corporate agenda.
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This has nothing to do with those employed by corporations.
 
jamesrage said:
The tax payers are the employers of these teachers, firemen,politicians and other tax payer funded employees.
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Actually, in a strict sense, the taxpayers hire others who act as the employers of these teachers, firemen politicians and other employees. No citizen, just because they pay taxes, has any of the rights that an employer does over a public employee.
 
haymarket said:
Actually, in a strict sense, the taxpayers hire others who act as the employers of these teachers, firemen politicians and other employees. No citizen, just because they pay taxes, has any of the rights that an employer does over a public employee.
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This does not change the fact that tax paying citizens are the employers of these teachers, firemen,police, politicians and other tax payer funded employees. As such we have every damn right to make sure the government doesn't **** tax payers in the ass when dealing with lousy employees.
 
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haymarket said:
Really!!!! You want big bad powerful GOVERNMENT to interfere in an economic arrangement between workers and employers!!!!!?????? That seems a betrayal of both conservative and libertarian principles.
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Conservative principles do not endorse collusion and extortion.
 
MrVicchio said:
Dan is a big government Union guy, he'd never accept the people said "enough with union power". Unions, ARE power for him.
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Unions at base are nothing more than association rights and contract rights; which are fundamental.
 
conservativeguy said:
Conservative principles do not endorse collusion and extortion.
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I don't know, no one does collusion and extortion like the government and I dare say some of you "conservatives" probably wouldn't mind so long as the collusion and extortion were along lines you agree with.
 
jamesrage said:
This does not change the fact that tax paying citizens are the employers of these teachers, firemen,police, politicians and other tax payer funded employees. As such we have every damn right to make sure the government doesn't **** tax payers in the ass when dealing with lousy employees.
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They fund the institutions of government which employ these people. That is a significant distinction with a difference. A citizen has no rights over public employees that their actual employer of record may have.
 
Ikari said:
Unions at base are nothing more than association rights and contract rights; which are fundamental.
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Except that a Public Sector Union is immoral and unconscionable. Even FDR wasn't that corrupt as to allow PUBLIC Sector Unions. If you are going to be in the debate, do try to be honest about the subject. Nice try though, thanks for playing.
 
DaveFagan said:
I might agree that Unions often wield their excessive power like a sledgehammer, but we needed them in years past due to the Republican/Corporate agenda. If nothing else, that must be stopped. I'm happy that people are beginning to realize that what's good for business is seldom good for them and you can substitute Republicans for business in this sentence. It takes truly egregious behaviour for the voters to see through the Corporate scams, but they are awakening. No thanks to the printed media. The Internet is a different matter and the truth resides therein, as well as buckets of bullcrap and nonsense that we are allowed to use our own censors on.
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I don't understand it. I would have guessed the basic principles of Conservative would be supportive of unions. Unions are not the government, they are people looking after themselves and their economic liberty... they are basically negotiators and business involves negotiation, so why is so complicated for conservatives to figure out that a skilled business man or woman can negotiate with unions. Negotiation is part of business. If somebody lacks negotiation skills, they shouldn't be in charge of a successful business.

And ironically conservatives back strong government in this case, because they use the government to bust unions and strip labor rights. Here, the they don't want the government to stay out. I also think that unions would fall under the conservative definition of natural rights. It's simple human nature to collectivize with others in a common cause or goal, to achieve more than one person standing alone... America was in many ways built upon and founded by that nature. It's common sense, as John Sturat Mill (the same one the founders were inspired by) described it as the economic man and the rational man... if a union isn't economically rational with the enterprise, it will destroy the long term economic prosperity of the union. If the management isn't economically rational with the union, they'll allow the union destroy their economic prosperity of their enterprise.

It's kind of amazing how conservatives are against greed and see it as a problem, but only union greed. Greed goes both ways.
 
SheWolf said:
I don't understand it. I would have guessed the basic principles of Conservative would be supportive of unions. Unions are not the government, they are people looking after themselves and their economic liberty... they are basically negotiators and business involves negotiation, so why is so complicated for conservatives to figure out that a skilled business man or woman can negotiate with unions. Negotiation is part of business. If somebody lacks negotiation skills, they shouldn't be in charge of a successful business.

And ironically conservatives back strong government in this case, because they use the government to bust unions and strip labor rights. Here, the they don't want the government to stay out. I also think that unions would fall under the conservative definition of natural rights. It's simple human nature to collectivize with others in a common cause or goal, to achieve more than one person standing alone... America was in many ways built upon and founded by that nature. It's common sense, as John Sturat Mill (the same one the founders were inspired by) described it as the economic man and the rational man... if a union isn't economically rational with the enterprise, it will destroy the long term economic prosperity of the union. If the management isn't economically rational with the union, they'll allow the union destroy their economic prosperity of their enterprise.

It's kind of amazing how conservatives are against greed and see it as a problem, but only union greed. Greed goes both ways.
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This is because your POV is screwed up.

“It is impossible to bargain collectively with the government.”

That wasn’t Newt Gingrich, or Ron Paul, or Ronald Reagan talking. That was George Meany -- the former president of the A.F.L.-C.I.O -- in 1955. Government unions are unremarkable today, but the labor movement once thought the idea absurd.

Public sector unions insist on laws that serve their interests -- at the expense of the common good.
The founders of the labor movement viewed unions as a vehicle to get workers more of the profits they help create. Government workers, however, don’t generate profits. They merely negotiate for more tax money. When government unions strike, they strike against taxpayers. F.D.R. considered this “unthinkable and intolerable.”

Government collective bargaining means voters do not have the final say on public policy. Instead their elected representatives must negotiate spending and policy decisions with unions. That is not exactly democratic – a fact that unions once recognized.
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F.D.R. Warned Us About Public Sector Unions - Room for Debate - NYTimes.com
 
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