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    Re: Walker recall effort to start at midnight

    Quote Originally Posted by conservativeguy View Post
    Conservative principles do not endorse collusion and extortion.....

    Unless it's for the Koch Brothers.
    There, fixed it for you.
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    Re: Walker recall effort to start at midnight

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Unions at base are nothing more than association rights and contract rights; which are fundamental.
    Except that a Public Sector Union is immoral and unconscionable. Even FDR wasn't that corrupt as to allow PUBLIC Sector Unions. If you are going to be in the debate, do try to be honest about the subject. Nice try though, thanks for playing.
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    Re: Walker recall effort to start at midnight

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I might agree that Unions often wield their excessive power like a sledgehammer, but we needed them in years past due to the Republican/Corporate agenda. If nothing else, that must be stopped. I'm happy that people are beginning to realize that what's good for business is seldom good for them and you can substitute Republicans for business in this sentence. It takes truly egregious behaviour for the voters to see through the Corporate scams, but they are awakening. No thanks to the printed media. The Internet is a different matter and the truth resides therein, as well as buckets of bullcrap and nonsense that we are allowed to use our own censors on.
    I don't understand it. I would have guessed the basic principles of Conservative would be supportive of unions. Unions are not the government, they are people looking after themselves and their economic liberty... they are basically negotiators and business involves negotiation, so why is so complicated for conservatives to figure out that a skilled business man or woman can negotiate with unions. Negotiation is part of business. If somebody lacks negotiation skills, they shouldn't be in charge of a successful business.

    And ironically conservatives back strong government in this case, because they use the government to bust unions and strip labor rights. Here, the they don't want the government to stay out. I also think that unions would fall under the conservative definition of natural rights. It's simple human nature to collectivize with others in a common cause or goal, to achieve more than one person standing alone... America was in many ways built upon and founded by that nature. It's common sense, as John Sturat Mill (the same one the founders were inspired by) described it as the economic man and the rational man... if a union isn't economically rational with the enterprise, it will destroy the long term economic prosperity of the union. If the management isn't economically rational with the union, they'll allow the union destroy their economic prosperity of their enterprise.

    It's kind of amazing how conservatives are against greed and see it as a problem, but only union greed. Greed goes both ways.

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    Re: Walker recall effort to start at midnight

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I don't understand it. I would have guessed the basic principles of Conservative would be supportive of unions. Unions are not the government, they are people looking after themselves and their economic liberty... they are basically negotiators and business involves negotiation, so why is so complicated for conservatives to figure out that a skilled business man or woman can negotiate with unions. Negotiation is part of business. If somebody lacks negotiation skills, they shouldn't be in charge of a successful business.

    And ironically conservatives back strong government in this case, because they use the government to bust unions and strip labor rights. Here, the they don't want the government to stay out. I also think that unions would fall under the conservative definition of natural rights. It's simple human nature to collectivize with others in a common cause or goal, to achieve more than one person standing alone... America was in many ways built upon and founded by that nature. It's common sense, as John Sturat Mill (the same one the founders were inspired by) described it as the economic man and the rational man... if a union isn't economically rational with the enterprise, it will destroy the long term economic prosperity of the union. If the management isn't economically rational with the union, they'll allow the union destroy their economic prosperity of their enterprise.

    It's kind of amazing how conservatives are against greed and see it as a problem, but only union greed. Greed goes both ways.
    This is because your POV is screwed up.

    “It is impossible to bargain collectively with the government.”

    That wasn’t Newt Gingrich, or Ron Paul, or Ronald Reagan talking. That was George Meany -- the former president of the A.F.L.-C.I.O -- in 1955. Government unions are unremarkable today, but the labor movement once thought the idea absurd.

    Public sector unions insist on laws that serve their interests -- at the expense of the common good.
    The founders of the labor movement viewed unions as a vehicle to get workers more of the profits they help create. Government workers, however, don’t generate profits. They merely negotiate for more tax money. When government unions strike, they strike against taxpayers. F.D.R. considered this “unthinkable and intolerable.”

    Government collective bargaining means voters do not have the final say on public policy. Instead their elected representatives must negotiate spending and policy decisions with unions. That is not exactly democratic – a fact that unions once recognized.
    F.D.R. Warned Us About Public Sector Unions - Room for Debate - NYTimes.com
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    Re: Walker recall effort to start at midnight

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. V
    Even FDR wasn't that corrupt
    Because FDR was anti-union.
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    Re: Walker recall effort to start at midnight

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    In addition, recalls are to be launched against 3 more Republican Senators. Since 2 of them won in Blue districts, there is no doubt that the Senate is going to be flipped. As for the Governor going down, that is going to be a tall order, and I predict that it will not succeed. However, Walker's agenda will be toast, and he will effectively be stopped.

    On the chopping block?

    Governor Scott Walker
    Lt. Governor Rebecca Kleefisch
    Senator Pam Galloway
    Senator Terry Moulton
    Senator Van Wanggaard

    This is what Democracy looks like, folks, especially when someone lies during his campaign and, once in office, works as hard as he can to thwart the will of the people who elected him. What was promised as repairing a budget deficit was delivered as an attempt to bust the unions and destroy the educational system, while giving special tax breaks to the Koch Brothers, who bought him lock, stock, and barrel.

    Never again!!

    Article is here.


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    Re: Walker recall effort to start at midnight

    Quote Originally Posted by conservativeguy View Post
    Conservative principles do not endorse collusion and extortion.
    So, you're against big oil??


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    Re: Walker recall effort to start at midnight

    Please god let these cronies get their asses out of power!


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    Re: Walker recall effort to start at midnight

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    This is because your POV is screwed up.

    In other words, you need many more gallons of far right kool-aid to see it the "RIGHT WAY".
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    Re: Walker recall effort to start at midnight

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    There, fixed it for you.

    Always need those boogeymen eh?


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