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    Re: Supreme Court to Hear Challenge to Obama Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Keridan View Post
    Where is my penalty for not buying a house this year? I don't like incentives for many reasons. That much is true. This is just hiding a penalty. I acknowledge this is semantics, but it still comes down to forcing a purchase of a private product.



    I stated that what came out of my pocket was ~15%. The charity wasn't a drop in the bucket and added considerably to that percentage. I generally avoid using anecdotal evidence, but I did start this one, so I will expound a little bit.

    I had several discussions with the billing department at the time. The whole process took a long time and much talk. Basically, they admitted that in the case of heart attacks like mine (where the procedure requires a catheter, as opposed to open heart surgery and extensive life support during the process) the actual cost of services rendered was ~20%. They made that and more between myself and the charity. The rest falls under what every company has. It's called costs of doing business.

    Subsequently, I also worked as a hospital administrator for a few years. I could go on for several pages about the things you learn being in meetings where administrators dictate to physicians and nurses about how to extort more money. I could also go on for pages about how much of those discussions were dictated solely and trying to recoup money lost due to medicare and medicaid legislation. It's the stuff that doesn't make the news because it has to do with boring topics or ones requiring degrees to understand. It also involves considerable understanding of the indirect costs.

    One reason health care is so expensive is because government involvement means they make less on anyone using that service. There is a big reason so many offices refuse medicare patients. They lose too much money when the government steps in.

    These are the ones I'm supposed to trust to run an even grander scale change?

    I wish I'd had insurance. I would even donate to a program to educate folks on the danger of not having insurance. I would advocate better advertising from insurance companies in this regard if they weren't guaranteed sales through companies.
    So basically what you're saying is that the hospital had an 80% mark up on your heart surgery ... but it's the government's fault that hospitals charge so much? I don't think so. The reason our medical expenses are higher than everyone else's is that we pay doctors a lot more, we pay hospitals more, we pay drug companies more, and insurance companies take a cut off the top. That's why government run systems cost half as much.

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    Re: Supreme Court to Hear Challenge to Obama Health Care Law

    I hope that the Supreme Court strikes down the REPUBLICAN idea of mandating everyone to purchase insurance. That REPUBLICAN idea was only made part of the eventual healthcare law as an alternative to the public option which Republicans and the bluedogs would not support. That is the worst part of the healthcare law that we got. If that part is stricken down, then we can begin to work on fixing the watered down healthcare law that we got as a result of the Republicans. We need a single-payer system in this country, however beginning with a public option is the first step...and it would be a hell of a lot better than the illogical Republican mandate of requiring everyone to purchase insurance.
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    Re: Supreme Court to Hear Challenge to Obama Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Here is the irony of Obamacare. It was crafted from what Mitt Romney did in Massachusetts, and Mitt Romney has the lead among Republicans as the man to replace Obama. This is what can be called one of those WTF moments of American History. LOL.
    actually some would correctly note that such a system is a power reserved to the several states and not the federal government



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    Re: Supreme Court to Hear Challenge to Obama Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I hope that the Supreme Court strikes down the REPUBLICAN idea of mandating everyone to purchase insurance. That REPUBLICAN idea was only made part of the eventual healthcare law as an alternative to the public option which Republicans and the bluedogs would not support. That is the worst part of the healthcare law that we got. If that part is stricken down, then we can begin to work on fixing the watered down healthcare law that we got as a result of the Republicans. We need a single-payer system in this country, however beginning with a public option is the first step...and it would be a hell of a lot better than the illogical Republican mandate of requiring everyone to purchase insurance.
    why should I have to pay for YOUR healthcare?



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    Re: Supreme Court to Hear Challenge to Obama Health Care Law

    I'll ask this again....what do you folks think is going to happen to health insurance stocks, if this thing actually passes?
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    Re: Supreme Court to Hear Challenge to Obama Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    why should I have to pay for YOUR healthcare?
    Why are you doing it now?

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    Re: Supreme Court to Hear Challenge to Obama Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Why are you doing it now?
    good question. I should not have to do this now or in the future



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    Re: Supreme Court to Hear Challenge to Obama Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    good question. I should not have to do this now or in the future
    No way around it without denying emergency care, life saving care to those who can't pay.

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    Re: Supreme Court to Hear Challenge to Obama Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No way around it without denying emergency care, life saving care to those who can't pay.
    the question still stands-why should some be forced to work to pay for the health care of someone else



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    Re: Supreme Court to Hear Challenge to Obama Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the question still stands-why should some be forced to work to pay for the health care of someone else
    I'm trying to say should is the wrong word. FACT: You are and will as long as we have to treat people who can't pay. Whine, stomp your feet, ask any questions you want. The fact will be that you will pay for someone else.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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