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    Re: Supreme Court to Hear Challenge to Obama Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    He can't. Socialized medicine appeals to those who want to have others care for their lives.

    Sure he can and he doesn't have to go out of the United States of America to do it.Its called VHA also known as he Veterans Health Administration.According to a CBO report, between 1999 and 2005, cost fell by 29.0 percent. The main reason for this is they can purchase pharmaceutical products at prices that are less than those available to nearly any other purchaser which accounts for 13.5 percent of VA’s cost.

    To head off any bull**** about the quality of VA care I’ll cite these words by past Secretary of Veterans Affairs, James Nicholson statement in a speech he made on July 2007, "We lead private and Government health care providers in almost every measure and our state-of-the-art quality care arcs from the research lab to a patient’s bedside."


    Then he stated that most health insurance plans pay providers on the basis of the number of services rendered rather than the quality of the care delivered. its called quality of care in the VA, not how many test you can run. Then of course with for profit insurance companies you have that return on investment thingee that the VA doesn’t have to deal with.
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    Re: Supreme Court to Hear Challenge to Obama Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Car insurance.
    That's done by the states, not the Federal government, but IMHO, that is wrong too. It's extortion. The Mafia was never as powerful as the insurance companies are today.
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    Re: Supreme Court to Hear Challenge to Obama Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    It became more expensive when people started abusing it. Health Ins originally was a more catastrophic coverage kind of thing where routine visits were not covered. This helped keep pricing down for routine care. Now people use their coverage for the sniffles. It is actually a very clear problem that highlights what would be wrong with making HC accessible to the point you want it to be.


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    I won't argue that there is no problem with people thinking they need more than they do, but the real increase came with technology. And in the market place, I make more money if I sell more, so it emcourages me to give more tests, do treatments that are long term rather than outright cures, and to think in terms of profit and not the best for the patient, especially when the patient has limited knowledge and feels the need to trust me. And the more urgent the situation, the more control the provider has. You don't shop around when a life is in the balance.

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    Re: Supreme Court to Hear Challenge to Obama Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Car insurance.
    The difference is that car insurance is based on the privilege of driving, not simply being a breathing citizen of the US.

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    Re: Supreme Court to Hear Challenge to Obama Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Keridan View Post
    The difference is that car insurance is based on the privilege of driving, not simply being a breathing citizen of the US.
    That would be true if you could assure you would never get hurt and that you could always pay for such an event. Few to none have the ability to claim they will never be seriosuly injuried, become seiously ill, or always be able to pay for anything that happens. It is this inability to assure we won't have to pay for you later is what makes the law comparable to car insurance. The one who drives can't assure there will never be an accident, and the person who lives cannot assure they will be need healthcare, and both who are unisured run the risk of having others pay for their mistake.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Supreme Court to Hear Challenge to Obama Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Keridan View Post
    The difference is that car insurance is based on the privilege of driving, not simply being a breathing citizen of the US.
    As long as you can assure the public you will never be a financial burden on them, there should be an exemption to allow anyone to post a financial bond rather than purchase health care insurance, imho.


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    Re: Supreme Court to Hear Challenge to Obama Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    That's done by the states, not the Federal government, but IMHO, that is wrong too. It's extortion. The Mafia was never as powerful as the insurance companies are today.
    I guess the Founding Fathers were a bunch of mafiosi!

    "In fact the founding fathers adopted the first "individual mandate" back in 1792. It required individuals to outfit themselves with guns and ammunition, even if they had to buy those items from private sellers.

    The mandate was included in a series of laws known as the Militia Acts. Early Americans were were fearful of a standing army so they relied on ordinary citizens organized into state militias to fight off Natives and invading armies. States, however, couldn't always be counted on to send their militias to help out other states. Comity was an unreliable basis for national security. And ordinary citizens couldn't always be relied upon to have the equipment they would need to be an effective fighting force.

    Congress sought to rectify these problems by passing federal legislation. In the first Militia Act, Congress gave the President authority to call out the militias and imposed penalties on any militiaman who refused to obey orders. In the second Militia Act, Congress included an individual mandate: all free, able-bodied male citizens between the ages of 18 and 45 "shall, within six months... provide himself with a good musket or firelock" or "a good rifle." All men of age were also ordered to equip themselves with ammunition and "a knapsack" to carry supplies. Many citizens already had these items. Those who didn't had to go out and buy them, like it or not, presumably from a private seller."

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    Re: Supreme Court to Hear Challenge to Obama Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    That's done by the states, not the Federal government, but IMHO, that is wrong too. It's extortion. The Mafia was never as powerful as the insurance companies are today.
    I agree with the sentiment that, but I will add that the mafia was never as powerful as malpractice attorneys are today either.

    What doctor's pay for malpractice insurance is stupifying.

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    Re: Supreme Court to Hear Challenge to Obama Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    I agree with the sentiment that, but I will add that the mafia was never as powerful as malpractice attorneys are today either.

    What doctor's pay for malpractice insurance is stupifying.
    More a problem in certain specialities than it is all doctors.

    That said, this is a minor problem compared to other issues, as it relates to the cost of health care. I believe some states have addressed this issue, and have not seen any significant change in cost.

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    Re: Supreme Court to Hear Challenge to Obama Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Car insurance.
    The federal government doesn't require ANYONE to purchase car insurance. States require people WHO OWN AND OPERATE AUTOMOBILES to purchase it. if you don't, you don't need to purchase it. Try again.
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