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    Re: Supreme Court to Hear Challenge to Obama Health Care Law

    I'm for healthcare reform and some kind of universal health care, but I do not support the current healthcare bill. Forcing people to buy insurance from private companies is a law that makes our nation a laughing stock of the western world.

    What we need is reform that reduces the cost of healthcare, especially from the administrative end, and caps placed on the behaviors of insurance companies.

    The piece of crap health care bill we currently have is one big hand off to the private sector. No thanks.

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    Re: Supreme Court to Hear Challenge to Obama Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The UN rankings are flawed in that one of their criteria was socialized health care rather than actual stats on success. Also, you need to show us where there is a country as large as the US that has this employed without rationing, or going bankrupt because of it.


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    Rationing is here already. Bankruptcy is an unexpected medical expense away for many families.

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    Re: Supreme Court to Hear Challenge to Obama Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Except for the fact that the best analysis available shows Health Care Reform reducing the defict by tens of billions of dollars.

    Oh I love it...the argument of the infallible once again...Notice the key phrases like "the best analysis".... What makes it "the Best?" What that it agrees with the agenda of Obama of course. pfft. What a joke.

    Mostly it appeals to those who are tired of paying DOUBLE what other countries pay for the same health care.
    Is there a systemic problem with the cost of Health Care in this country? Yes. Is the Government the best solution to that? I think not.

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    Re: Supreme Court to Hear Challenge to Obama Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    Rationing is here already. Bankruptcy is an unexpected medical expense away for many families.
    Why do you feel government is the answer to that?

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    Re: Supreme Court to Hear Challenge to Obama Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Why do you feel government is the answer to that?

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    essential services with inelastic demand are not efficiently delivered when the service providers, producers of materials, and insurance middlemen are all for-profit companies.

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    Re: Supreme Court to Hear Challenge to Obama Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    essential services with inelastic demand are not efficiently delivered when the service providers, producers of materials, and insurance middlemen are all for-profit companies.
    This is simply untrue. Competition brings efficiency up while keeping costs down, and that is a simple fact. But I notice you fail to address the question I asked you, and opt for the talking point....Do you have an answer?

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    Re: Supreme Court to Hear Challenge to Obama Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    This is simply untrue. Competition brings efficiency up while keeping costs down, and that is a simple fact. But I notice you fail to address the question I asked you, and opt for the talking point....Do you have an answer?

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    competition has not been a sufficient downward pressure on prices because health care is an essential service with inelastic demand. the service is being delivered by three levels of for-profit companies, and prices have risen exponentially. it's my opinion that we should scrap employer-based private health insurance and try something else before the costs rise further. and as i've previously posted, other countries that rank above us in quality of care are already doing this.

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    Re: Supreme Court to Hear Challenge to Obama Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    competition has not been a sufficient downward pressure on prices because health care is an essential service with inelastic demand. the service is being delivered by three levels of for-profit companies, and prices have risen exponentially. it's my opinion that we should scrap employer-based private health insurance and try something else before the costs rise further. and as i've previously posted, other countries that rank above us in quality of care are already doing this.
    It's also not a prime area for competition insofar as consumers lack the necessary data and education to make the best decisions. And of course insurance incents people NOT to price shop. If I need an MRI and my insurer is willing to pay $500 to have it done at hospital X, am I really going to shop around and find out that I could have gotten the same MRI for $150 at hospital Y? Not really.

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    Re: Supreme Court to Hear Challenge to Obama Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Beckel on the five this afternoon just laid out the talking point for the left concerning this decision. "If the court rules in favor of Obamacare, then they are deliberating properly and acting as they should, if they strike it down, then they are just hacks ruling politically rather than judicially like they should..."

    Seriously folks. You just can't make this stuff up....



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    Is this kind of what "the Right," whoever they are, do when they whine about judicial activism?

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    Re: Supreme Court to Hear Challenge to Obama Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    This is simply untrue. Competition brings efficiency up while keeping costs down, and that is a simple fact. But I notice you fail to address the question I asked you, and opt for the talking point....Do you have an answer?

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    Does it? Any chance there can be exceptions to rules?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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