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    Re: Supreme Court to Hear Challenge to Obama Health Care Law

    Didn't you hear? In fears that SCOTUS will be a do-nothing court, President Obama will be issuing an executive order to ignore the constitution. It's been deemed the only way to help job creation. :P

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    "All Reasonable Independent Economists Agree: If I"m not allowed to have the EPA circumvent the SCOTUS and mandate the Affordable Healthcare Act, then rape will spike, the oceans will rise, and seniors won't get their social security checks."

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    Re: Supreme Court to Hear Challenge to Obama Health Care Law

    Beckel on the five this afternoon just laid out the talking point for the left concerning this decision. "If the court rules in favor of Obamacare, then they are deliberating properly and acting as they should, if they strike it down, then they are just hacks ruling politically rather than judicially like they should..."

    Seriously folks. You just can't make this stuff up....



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    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    For Profit medical care, creates this little thing called competition.
    since most people are stuck with whatever their employer offers, not so much.

    and since it's not feasible to drive one's child from hospital to hospital looking for the best price, not so much.

    basically, the price is whatever they can drag out of an insurance company and your wallet. what's the patient going to do, walk out and die at home because it's too expensive?

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    There are many many many reasons for health care costs where they are at, profit, is not one of them.
    part of it is that we have private, for-profit care providers and private, for-profit medicine producers mediated by private, for-profit middlemen negotiating the price. it's really not surprising that the prices have risen exponentially.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Actually, you have it bassackwards. Anytime Government "promises" payment, costs go up.
    in a single payer scenario, the single payer has a lot more ability to impact prices because it has the largest percentage of the market. also, health care providers have more of an incentive not to invite price controls if most of their income is coming from one non-profit insurance provider rather than a number of private for-profit insurance companies.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Single payer is the worst ****ing idea since the Edsel.
    if we had single payer and someone argued that we should ditch it in favor of health care tied to employment, that person would be laughed out of the room. and every large employer would fight the proposition tooth and nail.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Of course, since the pay won't be there, you'll get lesser talent as brighter minds will go where the compensation is.
    i don't agree that people wouldn't become doctors if they couldn't command salaries in the multiple six digits. also increasing the amount of doctors in the pool can significantly reduce the workload of existing doctors. it's definitely something we should do.

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    Re: Supreme Court to Hear Challenge to Obama Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    since most people are stuck with whatever their employer offers, not so much.

    and since it's not feasible to drive one's child from hospital to hospital looking for the best price, not so much.

    basically, the price is whatever they can drag out of an insurance company and your wallet. what's the patient going to do, walk out and die at home because it's too expensive?



    part of it is that we have private, for-profit care providers and private, for-profit medicine producers mediated by private, for-profit middlemen negotiating the price. it's really not surprising that the prices have risen exponentially.



    in a single payer scenario, the single payer has a lot more ability to impact prices because it has the largest percentage of the market. also, health care providers have more of an incentive not to invite price controls if most of their income is coming from one non-profit insurance provider rather than a number of private for-profit insurance companies.



    if we had single payer and someone argued that we should ditch it in favor of health care tied to employment, that person would be laughed out of the room. and every large employer would fight the proposition tooth and nail.



    i don't agree that people wouldn't become doctors if they couldn't command salaries in the multiple six digits. also increasing the amount of doctors in the pool can significantly reduce the workload of existing doctors. it's definitely something we should do.

    Your reasoning seems awfully naive.....


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    Re: Supreme Court to Hear Challenge to Obama Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Your reasoning seems awfully naive.....


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    other countries are doing exactly what i advocate, and many of them rank above the US in quality of health care.

    we're 37th : International Comparisons

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    Re: Supreme Court to Hear Challenge to Obama Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    other countries are doing exactly what i advocate, and many of them rank above the US in quality of health care.

    we're 37th : International Comparisons

    The UN rankings are flawed in that one of their criteria was socialized health care rather than actual stats on success. Also, you need to show us where there is a country as large as the US that has this employed without rationing, or going bankrupt because of it.


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    Re: Supreme Court to Hear Challenge to Obama Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The UN rankings are flawed in that one of their criteria was socialized health care rather than actual stats on success. Also, you need to show us where there is a country as large as the US that has this employed without rationing, or going bankrupt because of it.


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    He can't. Socialized medicine appeals to those who want to have others care for their lives.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Supreme Court to Hear Challenge to Obama Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by conservativeguy View Post
    Except for the fact the Nation will be bankrupt since the entire BOCare scheme is an economic disaster with or without the mandate, nothing much will happen.
    Except for the fact that the best analysis available shows Health Care Reform reducing the defict by tens of billions of dollars.

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    Re: Supreme Court to Hear Challenge to Obama Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    He can't. Socialized medicine appeals to those who want to have others care for their lives.
    Mostly it appeals to those who are tired of paying DOUBLE what other countries pay for the same health care.

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