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    Re: Supreme Court to Hear Challenge to Obama Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    When our government acts like a dictatorship, I have no problem treating/calling it a dictatorship.
    Well, you do that. But when a candidate campaigns on health care reform, and then wins and proposes a health care reform bill, and it passes by a majority in the House and a super majority in the Senate, that is democracy -- not dictatorship.

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    Re: Supreme Court to Hear Challenge to Obama Health Care Law

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    No unlike you, I don't bitch and moan about paying taxes. I consider the ability to pay back into a country that has given me the opportunities that it has a privilege and part of the costs of living in this great country. I don't buy into the me me me mentality that believes that I should be able to keep everything to myself, because I recognize that without the benefits that this country has provided me, I wouldn't have what I do.

    Ok, so without giving away who you are, or what the truth of your income v. tax rate is, tell us a general figure of what you pay in taxes.

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    Re: Supreme Court to Hear Challenge to Obama Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Well, you do that. But when a candidate campaigns on health care reform, and then wins and proposes a health care reform bill, and it passes by a majority in the House and a super majority in the Senate, that is democracy -- not dictatorship.

    Oh yeah, real democracy....Super majorities in house and senate, people screaming no while they pass it anyway in the middle of the night, and the leader of the house proclaiming that we have to pass it to find out what is in it......Yeah, that is real democracy......pfft.


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    Re: Supreme Court to Hear Challenge to Obama Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, so without giving away who you are, or what the truth of your income v. tax rate is, tell us a general figure of what you pay in taxes.

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    I know my immediate family makes $250+ a year, but not much more, however they live pretty comfortably and do support a small tax raise if necessary. I am not at that level yet, but I hope to be within 20 years.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh yeah, real democracy....Super majorities in house and senate, people screaming no while they pass it anyway in the middle of the night, and the leader of the house proclaiming that we have to pass it to find out what is in it......Yeah, that is real democracy......pfft.




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    I agree, it is ridiculous that they had to have a supermajority just to pass a bill! This is supposed to be a democracy, and the filibuster has made the democratic process almost useless. (though I know you were saying the opposite and hinting that somehow even having a supermajority is not enough of a reason to pass something they've promised to pass)
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    Re: Supreme Court to Hear Challenge to Obama Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh yeah, real democracy....Super majorities in house and senate, people screaming no while they pass it anyway in the middle of the night, and the leader of the house proclaiming that we have to pass it to find out what is in it......Yeah, that is real democracy......pfft.


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    It passed by a majority in the House and super majority in the Senate after months and months of back and forth. If anyone didn't know what was in it they were simply too lazy to read it.

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    Re: Supreme Court to Hear Challenge to Obama Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    It passed by a majority in the House and super majority in the Senate after months and months of back and forth. If anyone didn't know what was in it they were simply too lazy to read it.
    "But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of controversy." - Nancy Pelosi

    Yeah, they knew exactly what they were passing.
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    Re: Supreme Court to Hear Challenge to Obama Health Care Law

    The fact that Obamacare has to travel to the Supreme Court where nine justices who are liberated from democratic constraints will sit on their thrones and decide what is the law is or is not is what is wrong with this country.

    No one should be forced to buy a product from the for profit insurance industry. This is most ironic and hypocritical since the for profit insurance industry was lambasted by Obama and his army of liberal progressives. What did they do? They delivered tens of millions of new customers to the industry that they lambasted. Having the President (and potentially nine supreme court justice) declare that Americans are forced to buy insurance products is tyrannical, not liberating.

    It should never come to this; where this decision rest upon nine supreme court judges. Americans should have the freedom and liberty to not buy a product from a for profit company. Unfortunately, we need to debate this issue and take it all the way to the Supreme Court, where it become a gamble rather than a practice in the Constitution.

    The biggest gamble is the legal precedent in which this ruling can set. The last thing we need is more corporate lobbyist using their resources to persuade politicians to force Americans to buy their products.
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    Re: Supreme Court to Hear Challenge to Obama Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    "But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of controversy." - Nancy Pelosi

    Yeah, they knew exactly what they were passing.
    That's a typical rightwing argument: you take a poorly phrased statement completely out of context and then try to use it as a foundation for your entire argument.

    If you look at the actual context of the statement it couldn't be more ironic. She was addressing the National Association of Counties -- not Congress. And the full sentence was, "We have to pass the bill so you can find out what's in it away from the fog of the controversy." In other words, what she was saying is that you guys will really like this bill once you see what it does for you and all of the partisan bull**** that's been spewed about it fades into the background.

    What she clearly was not doing was telling Congress that they should pass the bill without knowing what was in it.

    But that is exactly what Fox/Rush/Hannity et al have endlessly drilled into your head, so it's what you believe.

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    Re: Supreme Court to Hear Challenge to Obama Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    That's a typical rightwing argument: you take a poorly phrased statement completely out of context and then try to use it as a foundation for your entire argument.

    If you look at the actual context of the statement it couldn't be more ironic. She was addressing the National Association of Counties -- not Congress. And the full sentence was, "We have to pass the bill so you can find out what's in it away from the fog of the controversy." In other words, what she was saying is that you guys will really like this bill once you see what it does for you and all of the partisan bull**** that's been spewed about it fades into the background.

    What she clearly was not doing was telling Congress that they should pass the bill without knowing what was in it.

    But that is exactly what Fox/Rush/Hannity et al have endlessly drilled into your head, so it's what you believe.
    The bill was rammed down our throats. It is full of earmarks. It is statements like Pelosi that seems to be the rederick of the Democrats. Listen to our president talk about the current jobs bill. Just pass it...no one needs to read anything on the president's agenda.
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    Re: Supreme Court to Hear Challenge to Obama Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    The bill was rammed down our throats. It is full of earmarks. It is statements like Pelosi that seems to be the rederick of the Democrats. Listen to our president talk about the current jobs bill. Just pass it...no one needs to read anything on the president's agenda.
    You've been thoroughly brainwashed.

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