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    President Obama at Carrier Classic (UNC matches up with Michigan State)

    President Barack Obama salutes troops before Carrier Classic - ESPN

    CORONADO, Calif. -- Soaking in one of the most spectacular settings of his time in office, President Barack Obama pledged an unwavering commitment to veterans Friday from the deck of an aircraft carrier doubling, for one night, as a gleaming basketball court.


    The president's patriotic message to the military crowd, while welcomed, was secondary to the scene itself. The players from two storied basketball programs, No. 1 North Carolina and Michigan State, competed aboard the USS Carl Vinson in the open air, in the dusk of a perfect San Diego evening.


    Basketball star power was on hand in the form of Magic Johnson and James Worthy, former teammates on the Los Angeles Lakers and alums of Michigan State and North Carolina, respectively.


    The first-ever Carrier Classic gave Obama a chance to honor troops and pay tribute on the 95,000-ton Navy warship that buried Osama bin Laden's body at sea. For the hoops-loving president, topping it all off with a college basketball game played outside and on water was surely unforgettable.
    This is ****ing awesome. Represents the intersection of two of my greatest interests, basketball and the military. Great opportunity for the Navy to showcase itself.

    Some pics from the event:
    UNC, Michigan State play Carrier Classic abroad USS Carl Vinson - The Washington Post

    For the mods: since this isn't purely a sports story, I chose not to put it in that forum, feel free to move it if you guys feel its warranted.
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    Re: President Obama at Carrier Classic (UNC matches up with Michigan State)

    Weren't there better things to do with that aircraft carrier than host a basketball game? How much did that cost us?
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    I thought it was very cool. Would have been even cooler if they did it on the high seas. Raise the degree of difficulty a bit playing on a court that's rockin' and rollin'.

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    Re: President Obama at Carrier Classic (UNC matches up with Michigan State)

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I thought it was very cool. Would have been even cooler if they did it on the high seas. Raise the degree of difficulty a bit playing on a court that's rockin' and rollin'.
    It's too bad that Navy personnel can't actually do stuff like this when they're on deployment. I know that they sometimes improvise and play basketball in the aircraft hangars though.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Tremendous event visually. Not so much on the court though.
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    Re: President Obama at Carrier Classic (UNC matches up with Michigan State)

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Tremendous event visually. Not so much on the court though.
    Yeah, from what I saw of the highlights and from the box score, the offense on both sides was pretty bad.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: President Obama at Carrier Classic (UNC matches up with Michigan State)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Weren't there better things to do with that aircraft carrier than host a basketball game? How much did that cost us?
    Those things have to return to port after deployments, It was probably going to be there anyways and since it is in port, the aircraft were off of it. True, there were additional travel and security costs, but as far as a better use for it, maybe, but if it has to sit there anyways.


    Doing this was just a PR stunt by BO. After twice gaffing by saying that active duty and veterans should pay for their own Health Care Insurance, he has to try to win back at least some support from those groups.

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    Re: President Obama at Carrier Classic (UNC matches up with Michigan State)

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Doing this was just a PR stunt by BO. After twice gaffing by saying that active duty and veterans should pay for their own Health Care Insurance, he has to try to win back at least some support from those groups.
    I doubt it. The President is a well known college basketball fan and a huge UNC having played with the team before.
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    Re: President Obama at Carrier Classic (UNC matches up with Michigan State)

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Those things have to return to port after deployments, It was probably going to be there anyways and since it is in port, the aircraft were off of it. True, there were additional travel and security costs, but as far as a better use for it, maybe, but if it has to sit there anyways.


    Doing this was just a PR stunt by BO. After twice gaffing by saying that active duty and veterans should pay for their own Health Care Insurance, he has to try to win back at least some support from those groups.
    He never actually said that. But don't let the facts get in your way of your Obama-bashing, I suppose.

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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: President Obama at Carrier Classic (UNC matches up with Michigan State)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Weren't there better things to do with that aircraft carrier than host a basketball game? How much did that cost us?
    When sitting in port, the deck is not being used for much of anything,and you have a workforce of about 3k who are just doing training and random jobs.
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