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    Re: Occupy campers shout down Oakland council members

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Ikari, you seemed to have missed a very important part of the article I quoted: "Later in the evening, Occupy Oakland protesters gathered for their general assembly meeting and withdrew a resolution calling for future demonstrations to remain peaceful. A faction of the protest group has advocated for violence as a "diversity in tactics" approach to demonstrating."

    This faction that advocates violence may be only a part of this OWS crowd, but they are a part that has a major influence over the whole group in that they caused the general assembly to withdraw their commitment to remain peaceful.

    It now remains to be seen just what kind of violence they perpetrate.
    How do you know it has "majority influence"? Perhaps there was no reconciling the two groups and since they have no strict form of government, they just dropped it. You made assumption to apply to the group as a whole.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Occupy campers shout down Oakland council members

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    How do you know it has "majority influence"? Perhaps there was no reconciling the two groups and since they have no strict form of government, they just dropped it. You made assumption to apply to the group as a whole.
    Because their actions (the faction, not the group) caused the general assembly to withdraw their commitment to remain peaceful. That seems influential.
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    Re: Occupy campers shout down Oakland council members

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Because their actions (the faction, not the group) caused the general assembly to withdraw their commitment to remain peaceful. That seems influential.
    In so much that a conclusion could not be reached. But what sort of "government" do they have which passes resolution and such? Do you know or are you making assumption? Even in our government, a minority can sometimes shut down the desires of the majority.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Occupy campers shout down Oakland council members

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    do they passively allow their rights to be taken from them

    or do they take whatever action is necessary to assert their Constitutional rights, when those in authority attempt to unlawfully deprive them of their lawful rights

    do they listen to Malcolm X
    or MLK/Gandhi?
    Nope they're listening to the voices in their heads while they got them shoved up their aZZes.

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    Re: Occupy campers shout down Oakland council members

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    In so much that a conclusion could not be reached. But what sort of "government" do they have which passes resolution and such? Do you know or are you making assumption? Even in our government, a minority can sometimes shut down the desires of the majority.
    Off topic. Again.
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    Re: Occupy campers shout down Oakland council members

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Off topic. Again.
    That's not off topic. You are making an assumption as to what it meant by the faction preventing the whole from passing the resolution. This is very much within your questioning.

    I think we're done here. You have demonstrated yourself not intellectually honest enough to have an actual debate.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Occupy campers shout down Oakland council members

    The Topic:

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    As I've been saying all along...the OWSer's movement will die out if they take a peaceful protest attitude. They can't have that. They want the authorities to bust some heads.

    More violence on the part of OWS is on it's way.
    Your statement:
    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That's not off topic. You are making an assumption as to what it meant by the faction preventing the whole from passing the resolution. This is very much within your questioning.

    I think we're done here. You have demonstrated yourself not intellectually honest enough to have an actual debate.
    Your statement has to do with the structure of their government, not what members of the OWS are debating and their want to commit violent acts.
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    Re: Occupy campers shout down Oakland council members

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    The Topic:



    Your statement:


    Your statement has to do with the structure of their government, not what members of the OWS are debating and want to commit violent acts.
    Because YOU made assumption about their structure. YOU brought it up. I was clarifying that the assumptions you were making to comment on the faction and their interaction with the whole was an assumption since you don't know under what rules and structure they were using.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Occupy campers shout down Oakland council members

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Because YOU made assumption about their structure. YOU brought it up. I was clarifying that the assumptions you were making to comment on the faction and their interaction with the whole was an assumption since you don't know under what rules and structure they were using.
    No, my comment said nothing about structure.
    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Because their actions (the faction, not the group) caused the general assembly to withdraw their commitment to remain peaceful. That seems influential.
    General Assembly was used in the article. My point stands.
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    Re: Occupy campers shout down Oakland council members

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    QUOTE=Ikari;1059943607]And this is your first mistake. The group is NOT taking measures to become violent. A faction of the group wanted to reserve the ability to become violent. The group did not agree to become violent in general.

    If any faction of the OWS group becomes violent then the other members should immediately disassociate themselves, or turn in those who are advocating violence.

    There is no way that "some" members of a group can become violent without all members of the group being tainted, or even guilty through conspiracy to commit violence. Individual OWS members are going to have to make up their minds quite soon as to which direction they want to take.

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