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    Re: Occupy campers shout down Oakland council members

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Mycroft's point (Mycroft, correct me if I am wrong) was that the OWS rallies would become violent or fail. The news artilcle clearly states that the group is making arangements in it's ranks to have uncivil/unpeaceful protests because their movement is failing. This incident has everyting to do with the OWS becoming violent. Because of this incident, they felt that weren't being heard and are now making an effort to be "violent" in order to be heard. Much like a child who doesn't get what they want.
    No, the article clearly states that a faction of OWS, not the whole thing, has expressed desires in keeping a violent option.
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    Re: Occupy campers shout down Oakland council members

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    I don't know, what would you do?

    I can assure you, I would not attack my fellow citizen.

    long term, MLK/Gandhi's approach ultimately prevailed
    not so much Malcom X's approach (before he found Islam)
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    Re: Occupy campers shout down Oakland council members

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, the article clearly states that a faction of OWS, not the whole thing, has expressed desires in keeping a violent option.
    Alright, you first started saying that this article has nothing do with the group committing violence, or going in the direction of violence. Now you are saying it is just a faction. Basically you are confirming Mycroft's point. Thank you. A sect/faction (of unknown percentage) has decided that violence is the best answer for their protest.
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    Re: Occupy campers shout down Oakland council members

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Alright, you first started saying that this article has nothing do with the group committing violence, or going in the direction of violence. Now you are saying it is just a faction. Basically you are confirming Mycroft's point. Thank you. A sect/faction (of unknown percentage) has decided that violence is the best answer for their protest.
    it would not be the first time that a violent faction has been planted to justify government action against their non-peaceful demonstrations
    not saying this is the circumstance, but also not ruling it out
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    Re: Occupy campers shout down Oakland council members

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Alright, you first started saying that this article has nothing do with the group committing violence, or going in the direction of violence. Now you are saying it is just a faction. Basically you are confirming Mycroft's point. Thank you. A sect/faction (of unknown percentage) has decided that violence is the best answer for their protest.
    The article doesn't have anything to do with them committing violence as they had committed no violent act. They had shouted down government agents and nothing more. It went on to claim that a faction desired to maintain the violent option; not the whole.

    This is correcting you people who think that somehow so long as a or a few OWS members do something, that you can then generalize it to the entire group. It's a very stupid and childish way of thought.
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    Re: Occupy campers shout down Oakland council members

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    it would not be the first time that a violent faction has been planted to justify government action against their non-peaceful demonstrations
    good point. it was probably the same basterds who planted explosives in the WTC and flew a missile into the pentagon.

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    Re: Occupy campers shout down Oakland council members

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Mycroft's point (Mycroft, correct me if I am wrong) was that the OWS rallies would become violent or fail. The news artilcle clearly states that the group is making arangements in it's ranks to have uncivil/unpeaceful protests because their movement is failing. This incident has everyting to do with the OWS becoming violent. Because of this incident, they felt that weren't being heard and are now making an effort to be "violent" in order to be heard. Much like a child who doesn't get what they want.
    You are essentially correct, but there is more to it. Those who are behind this movement...those who are directing it...Adbusters and certain individuals...have stated that they intend to use the Tunisia and Egypt models as their blueprint. Those models depended upon violence...especially violence on the part of the authorities. People died. Those models were a success.

    OWS hasn't risen to that level of violence yet...and the authorities have been taking a careful and measured position to avoid busting heads. That's been the biggest problem for OWS, so far. That's why there are factions...who appear in Oakland, at least, to be gaining the upper hand...that want to escalate the violence.
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    Re: Occupy campers shout down Oakland council members

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The article doesn't have anything to do with them committing violence as they had committed no violent act. They had shouted down government agents and nothing more. It went on to claim that a faction desired to maintain the violent option; not the whole.

    This is correcting you people who think that somehow so long as a or a few OWS members do something, that you can then generalize it to the entire group. It's a very stupid and childish way of thought.
    You don't read anything do you? You just see something against OWS and then just type. You aren't actually addressing what the point of this topic is. OWS fail = members of OWS get violent. Not a generalization.
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    Re: Occupy campers shout down Oakland council members

    This is exactly the same type of mentality and ignorance that is fueling the kids at Penn State that are protesting Paterno's firing.

    And this is why these Occupy Wall Street idiots shouldn't be paid any mind whatsoever.

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    Re: Occupy campers shout down Oakland council members

    I would LOVE to see the "Occupy" movement actually turn violent. If it were to do so, I would have more respect for them than I do for the Tea Party. I don't believe that EITHER movement is willing to do the two things necessary to actually make change....

    1. Shed their own blood
    2. Shed other people's blood (the more important one)

    Additionally, it would give the police the excuse to go in and do what should have been done over a month ago, clean these pieces of refuse out with REAL bullets.

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