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    Re: Merry Christmas? Agriculture Department Imposes Christmas Tree Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    I'm not talking about just finding someone on the street. These are people that grow and sell christmas trees being in favor of taxing christmas trees. If they want the taxes then I'm not going to waste my time feigning outrage just based on politics simply to have something to blame on Obama.
    I'm not either. There are plenty for extending taxes on the internet that are involved in those transactions also. As I note, you can find anyone that will support any tax. That doesn't make the arguement valid just based upon that.

    Yea, once again, the article explains why this didn't work for them and why they wanted to establish the tax in the first place.
    Indeed, it seems that a small percentage wanted a tax where the overall didn't so they tried to get the government to force the majority accept the views of the minority with government involvement. Why is it that the government should get involved here?

    First off, compare apples to apples. When I get my Christmas tree every year I spend at least 100 bucks for one the right height and type. A 15 cent tax on 100 dollars works out to be a .0015% tax. If all walmarts want to be taxed .0015% in order to advertise then why would I give a ****? What your not getting is that each and every christmas tree stand doesn't have the revenue to run an ad campaign the way a walmart or sears could. When they can pool together like this it helps them to get their message out. Maybe I'm just alittle bit more pro-small business then you are?
    What you don't seem to get even though you note it, tree growers are not interested in this program overall. If it was something the industry truely found worthwhile they could have got it off the ground on their own.

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    Re: Merry Christmas? Agriculture Department Imposes Christmas Tree Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    I'm not talking about just finding someone on the street. These are people that grow and sell christmas trees being in favor of taxing christmas trees. If they want the taxes then I'm not going to waste my time feigning outrage just based on politics simply to have something to blame on Obama. What your not getting is that each and every christmas tree stand doesn't have the revenue to run an ad campaign the way a walmart or sears could. When they can pool together like this it helps them to get their message out. Maybe I'm just alittle bit more pro-small business then you are?
    This promotion should not be handled by the government taxing anybody. That's what trade associations are for. Where does the government get off being involved in laundering money for an entire industry? Trade associations promote their own by virtue of voluntary membership. This program is absolutely absurd.
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    Re: Merry Christmas? Agriculture Department Imposes

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    2) The tax was only 15 cents per tree.
    Only for now. I know it sounds silly, but once you create a tax, it easier to raise it than get rid of it. If the tree farmers want an organization to do advertising for them, time to pony up their own money and make a group. If you don't support that, then you can go to your "local" non-organized tree farmer and get a reduced price tree. I don't like it. This is not something the government needs to be involved in.
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    Re: Merry Christmas? Agriculture Department Imposes

    While I think programs like this would be better implemented within the selected industries without the government assistance, this fee is no different than what is already in place for pork (The other white meat), dairy (got milk?), beef (It's what for dinner) and others.

    The bitching about this is a bit late and a bit limited in focus, if you are upset over this you need to expand your outrage.
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    Re: Merry Christmas? Agriculture Department Imposes

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    While I think programs like this would be better implemented within the selected industries without the government assistance, this fee is no different than what is already in place for pork (The other white meat), dairy (got milk?), beef (It's what for dinner) and others.

    The bitching about this is a bit late and a bit limited in focus, if you are upset over this you need to expand your outrage.
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    Re: Merry Christmas? Agriculture Department Imposes

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    While I think programs like this would be better implemented within the selected industries without the government assistance, this fee is no different than what is already in place for pork (The other white meat), dairy (got milk?), Beef (It's what for dinner) and others.

    The bitching about this is a bit late and a bit limited in focus, if you are upset over this you need to expand your outrage.
    Oh, my outrage is already expanded.

    The whole program just sounds grinchie.
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    Re: Merry Christmas? Agriculture Department Imposes

    Can we get an equally effective atheist tax?
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    Re: Merry Christmas? Agriculture Department Imposes

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    While I think programs like this would be better implemented within the selected industries without the government assistance, this fee is no different than what is already in place for pork (The other white meat), dairy (got milk?), beef (It's what for dinner) and others.

    The bitching about this is a bit late and a bit limited in focus, if you are upset over this you need to expand your outrage.
    You've missed all the arguements that the government is too large and has it's fingers in too many things they have no business being in?

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    Re: Merry Christmas? Agriculture Department Imposes

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    You've missed all the arguements that the government is too large and has it's fingers in too many things they have no business being in?
    You've missed the first line of my post?

    edit- here let me repeat it for you

    While I think programs like this would be better implemented within the selected industries without the government assistance
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    Re: Merry Christmas? Agriculture Department Imposes

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    You've missed the first line of my post?

    edit- here let me repeat it for you

    While I think programs like this would be better implemented within the selected industries without the government assistance
    I missed nothing. That statement has nothing to do with your accusation.

    The bitching about this is a bit late and a bit limited in focus, if you are upset over this you need to expand your outrage.
    So once again. You've not seen all the arguements which I described?

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