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    Mississippi Voters Reject ‘Personhood’ Ballot Cutting Off Abortion Access

    Bad day in conservativeville, eh? First the DC Circuit upholds Health Care Reform, then Ohio voters repeal anti-union legislation, then not one but two women come forward to accuse Herman Cain of sexual misconduct, and now voters in Mississippi (of all places) have handed a resounding defeat to anti-abortion legislation that was expected to pass!

    Mississippi voters rejected a ballot initiative that would have made the state the first in the U.S. to ban abortion by declaring that life begins at conception.
    The so-called personhood bid lost yesterday by a margin of about 58 percent to 42 percent, with 84 percent of precincts reporting, according to the Associated Press. The amendment to the state constitution would have redefined the term “person”to include “every human being from the moment of fertilization, cloning or the equivalent thereof.”
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    This was yet another conservative effort to make an end run around Roe v. Wade. It may have failed in part due to speculation that it would actually outlaw the use of contraceptive pills.

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    Re: Mississippi Voters Reject ‘Personhood’ Ballot Cutting Off Abortion Access

    Good for them. Wouldn't have survived the SCOTUS anyhow...

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    Re: Mississippi Voters Reject ‘Personhood’ Ballot Cutting Off Abortion Access

    LOL, it's funny. I've seen liberals say an issue like abortion shouldn't even be left to the states, much less the voters, but I guess it's ok to do so long as the outcome is agreeable.

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    Re: Mississippi Voters Reject ‘Personhood’ Ballot Cutting Off Abortion Access

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    LOL, it's funny. I've seen liberals say an issue like abortion shouldn't even be left to the states, much less the voters, but I guess it's ok to do so long as the outcome is agreeable.
    That's right, women should have the right to decide what happens to their own bodies. The vote prevents the state from taking that right away.

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    Re: Mississippi Voters Reject ‘Personhood’ Ballot Cutting Off Abortion Access

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    LOL, it's funny. I've seen liberals say an issue like abortion shouldn't even be left to the states, much less the voters, but I guess it's ok to do so long as the outcome is agreeable.
    More like... unless the outcome is sane.

    There was no real justification for giving personhood to a ZEF, aside from the usual hysteria about murder and killing innocent little children. The fact that is that you can't make this decision for everyone. Each person must ask themselves what this existential and spiritual issue means to them. That's what pro-choice means.

    You can't just white wash people's free will and not let them decide this for themselves. The people of Mississippi have spoken, and thank God for that. They've shown the world that the social-right there does not represent them.

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    Re: Mississippi Voters Reject ‘Personhood’ Ballot Cutting Off Abortion Access

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    More like... unless the outcome is sane.

    There was no real justification for giving personhood to a ZEF, aside from the usual hysteria about murder and killing innocent little children. The fact that is that you can't make this decision for everyone. Each person must ask themselves what this existential and spiritual issue means to them. That's what pro-choice means.

    You can't just white wash people's free will and not let them decide this for themselves. The people of Mississippi have spoken, and thank God for that. They've shown the world that the social-right there does not represent them.
    What if the vote had come out differently? Would you be lauding the people of Mississippi then, or is it only if you agree with them?

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    Re: Mississippi Voters Reject ‘Personhood’ Ballot Cutting Off Abortion Access

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    What if the vote had come out differently? Would you be lauding the people of Mississippi then, or is it only if you agree with them?
    I was actually expecting Mississippi to vote in favor of the legislation, but people do surprise me every now and then.

    If it came out differently, I would hope that the courts would overrule it. Abortion is not something I can negotiate about. Too many women died when it was illegal and it is for the socioeconomic benefit of our society that women can still access it. Any means to keep the law pro-choice is one that I will accept.

    It's a pretty straightforward affair... fetal personhood has no objective basis and the arguments are all arbitrary - even the pro-choice ones. I don't see how one value can emerge supreme and override the rest. That's why I'm pro-choice. There are too many opinions and none can really precipitate something useful. It's not like if I shot a human with a gun and kill them, which we all agree is murder. Not everyone even agrees on what the spiritual nature of a fetus is.

    If you're anti-abortion and think the ZEF is sanctified, then don't get an abortion. Other people's medical and social needs are none of my business.
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    Re: Mississippi Voters Reject ‘Personhood’ Ballot Cutting Off Abortion Access

    This result is a very pleasant surprise. Mississippi is one of the most conservative states in the union, so for this measure to fail even there should give pro-choice advocates hope.
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    Re: Mississippi Voters Reject ‘Personhood’ Ballot Cutting Off Abortion Access

    What I find particularly amusing is the general conservative position on life in general. But that is perhaps a discussion for a different thread altogether.

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    Re: Mississippi Voters Reject ‘Personhood’ Ballot Cutting Off Abortion Access

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    What if the vote had come out differently? Would you be lauding the people of Mississippi then, or is it only if you agree with them?
    I would laud any position that is consistent. Whether I agree with it or not. The conservative views on too many issues are just way too inconsistent for logic to apply.

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