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Mississippi Voters Reject ‘Personhood’ Ballot Cutting Off Abortion Access

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Bad day in conservativeville, eh? First the DC Circuit upholds Health Care Reform, then Ohio voters repeal anti-union legislation, then not one but two women come forward to accuse Herman Cain of sexual misconduct, and now voters in Mississippi (of all places) have handed a resounding defeat to anti-abortion legislation that was expected to pass!

Mississippi voters rejected a ballot initiative that would have made the state the first in the U.S. to ban abortion by declaring that life begins at conception.
The so-called personhood bid lost yesterday by a margin of about 58 percent to 42 percent, with 84 percent of precincts reporting, according to the Associated Press. The amendment to the state constitution would have redefined the term “person”to include “every human being from the moment of fertilization, cloning or the equivalent thereof.”
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Mississippi Voters Reject

This was yet another conservative effort to make an end run around Roe v. Wade. It may have failed in part due to speculation that it would actually outlaw the use of contraceptive pills.
 
LOL, it's funny. I've seen liberals say an issue like abortion shouldn't even be left to the states, much less the voters, but I guess it's ok to do so long as the outcome is agreeable. :D
 
X Factor said:
LOL, it's funny. I've seen liberals say an issue like abortion shouldn't even be left to the states, much less the voters, but I guess it's ok to do so long as the outcome is agreeable. :D
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That's right, women should have the right to decide what happens to their own bodies. The vote prevents the state from taking that right away.
 
X Factor said:
LOL, it's funny. I've seen liberals say an issue like abortion shouldn't even be left to the states, much less the voters, but I guess it's ok to do so long as the outcome is agreeable. :D
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More like... unless the outcome is sane.

There was no real justification for giving personhood to a ZEF, aside from the usual hysteria about murder and killing innocent little children. The fact that is that you can't make this decision for everyone. Each person must ask themselves what this existential and spiritual issue means to them. That's what pro-choice means.

You can't just white wash people's free will and not let them decide this for themselves. The people of Mississippi have spoken, and thank God for that. They've shown the world that the social-right there does not represent them.
 
Temporal said:
More like... unless the outcome is sane.

There was no real justification for giving personhood to a ZEF, aside from the usual hysteria about murder and killing innocent little children. The fact that is that you can't make this decision for everyone. Each person must ask themselves what this existential and spiritual issue means to them. That's what pro-choice means.

You can't just white wash people's free will and not let them decide this for themselves. The people of Mississippi have spoken, and thank God for that. They've shown the world that the social-right there does not represent them.
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What if the vote had come out differently? Would you be lauding the people of Mississippi then, or is it only if you agree with them?
 
X Factor said:
What if the vote had come out differently? Would you be lauding the people of Mississippi then, or is it only if you agree with them?
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I was actually expecting Mississippi to vote in favor of the legislation, but people do surprise me every now and then.

If it came out differently, I would hope that the courts would overrule it. Abortion is not something I can negotiate about. Too many women died when it was illegal and it is for the socioeconomic benefit of our society that women can still access it. Any means to keep the law pro-choice is one that I will accept.

It's a pretty straightforward affair... fetal personhood has no objective basis and the arguments are all arbitrary - even the pro-choice ones. I don't see how one value can emerge supreme and override the rest. That's why I'm pro-choice. There are too many opinions and none can really precipitate something useful. It's not like if I shot a human with a gun and kill them, which we all agree is murder. Not everyone even agrees on what the spiritual nature of a fetus is. :shrug:

If you're anti-abortion and think the ZEF is sanctified, then don't get an abortion. Other people's medical and social needs are none of my business.
 
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This result is a very pleasant surprise. Mississippi is one of the most conservative states in the union, so for this measure to fail even there should give pro-choice advocates hope.
 
What I find particularly amusing is the general conservative position on life in general. But that is perhaps a discussion for a different thread altogether.
 
X Factor said:
What if the vote had come out differently? Would you be lauding the people of Mississippi then, or is it only if you agree with them?
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I would laud any position that is consistent. Whether I agree with it or not. The conservative views on too many issues are just way too inconsistent for logic to apply.
 
This insane ballot initiative should have never gone to the polls to begin with, but the people of Mississippi (that is insane to type) have made the right choice today.
 
AdamT said:
Bad day in conservativeville, eh? First the DC Circuit upholds Health Care Reform, then Ohio voters repeal anti-union legislation, then not one but two women come forward to accuse Herman Cain of sexual misconduct, and now voters in Mississippi (of all places) have handed a resounding defeat to anti-abortion legislation that was expected to pass!


Mississippi Voters Reject

This was yet another conservative effort to make an end run around Roe v. Wade. It may have failed in part due to speculation that it would actually outlaw the use of contraceptive pills.
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Don't forget my personal favorite, FORMER Arizona Senate President and author of SB1070, Russell Pierce gets recalled. So long Russell.
 
Swit said:
I would laud any position that is consistent. Whether I agree with it or not. The conservative views on too many issues are just way too inconsistent for logic to apply.
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I'd welcome you to start a different thread about this rather than derailing this. Its an argument many people make, and its an argument they make out of the ignorance of belief that their own world view is the only legitimate world view to have and thus seeing inconsistencies based on how THEY view it means conservatives are inconsistent rather than actually being honest and viewing it from the view point of the people you're claiming are inconsistant.

Now, with that said...I'm all for State Rights, but if this passed I'd hope it would go to the Supreme Court for a ruling. As it stands now, its NOT a state issue even if I think it should be. If a state tries to take the issue forcefully then it would only be proper for it to get routed to the Supreme Court.
 
Good for the people in the state I was born in. Despite the stereotypes, they are smart people with a good dose of common sense.

This bill was outrageous and went waaaay to far.
 
Seems to me that this vote is indicative of an idea of I've been mulling over for some time: The extremes we're seeing in the legislature are not representative of the goals and ideals of the people. I've seen programs and ideas pushed at the state and federal level from both sides that the majority of voters aren't keen on or vote down.

I wonder: Are we voting in people more to the left or right than ourselves to balance what we consider to be "extremism" on the other side?
 
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Seems to me that this vote is indicative of an idea of I've been mulling over for some time: The extremes we're seeing in the legislature are not representative of the goals and ideals of the people. I've seen programs and ideas pushed at the state and federal level from both sides that the majority of voters aren't keen on or vote down.

I wonder: Are we voting in people more to the left or right than ourselves to balance what we consider to be "extremism" on the other side?
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You hit it tess right on the noggin...AMERICA does not like the extremes...right or left...but big money influence does, whichever side benefits them....the people will FORCE it back to the middle...they always do...and they have started already spanking the teaparty...they already spanked the left led by Pelosi
 
tessaesque said:
Seems to me that this vote is indicative of an idea of I've been mulling over for some time: The extremes we're seeing in the legislature are not representative of the goals and ideals of the people. I've seen programs and ideas pushed at the state and federal level from both sides that the majority of voters aren't keen on or vote down.

I wonder: Are we voting in people more to the left or right than ourselves to balance what we consider to be "extremism" on the other side?
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Interesting point, Tess...
 
Mississippi I think did the right thing, but only because this law was rather vaguely worded, as opponents of the proposition pointed out.

From a legal standpoint, abortion is acceptable, but from a moral standpoint, it is hardly defensible. No, I would not rather have unwed teenage mothers perform back alley abortions on themselves. I would much rather live in a world where all pregnancies are wanted and if not, all babies are carried to term and adopted out.
 
X Factor said:
LOL, it's funny. I've seen liberals say an issue like abortion shouldn't even be left to the states, much less the voters, but I guess it's ok to do so long as the outcome is agreeable. :D
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It's not okay to subject issues that go to the foundation of human rights to ballot initiatives, however it should still be noted that not as many Mississippians are as zealous and irrational as the people who pushed this initiative had hoped they would be - that's cause for celebration.
 
The system worked. An idea was proposed, it was rejected by the majority......you win some, you lose some.......at least the voters had direct participation in this incredibly divisive matter. It's kind of refreshing seeing all the options being voted on by the people and not the horribly compromised representatives.
 
Snapper Head said:
Shhhhhh.

We prefer that the fools who think we are fools continue to do so.


Big Al
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We prefer to let you fools think that you aren't fools, despite the fact that you trail the nation in virtually every significant metric.
 
AdamT said:
We prefer to let you fools think that you aren't fools, despite the fact that you trail the nation in virtually every significant metric.
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:lol: No matter where the word fool is mentioned on the internet, you always show up.

I reckon you have a singular positive quality - yer consistent.:lamo


I had hoped you had elevated your game. Stupid me, another Mississippi failing.....

Big Al
 
Snapper Head said:
:lol: No matter where the word fool is mentioned on the internet, you always show up.

I reckon you have a singular positive quality - yer consistent.:lamo


I had hoped you had elevated your game. Stupid me, another Mississippi failing.....

Big Al
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Same tired material. You should hire some writers or something.
 
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