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    Re: Ohio voters reject Republican-backed union limits

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Well, on a search, I did find these:

    Stewart satirically showed multiple instances where reporters, talking heads and politicians demand sacrifices from teachers and other public employees in tough economic times, but don't ask the same from Wall Street types. The double-standard was especially poignant in one clip when a Fox reporter pointed out that teachers aren't paid as much as people on Wall Street because they don't work as hard and they have summers off.
    Jon Stewart is a comedian with some bias but who really cares? The evidence is that teachers are doing a bad job, despite the increase in costs over the past decades, and are very difficult to fire. They are, as in the case of Detroit, turning out too many sub-literate people. And that low quality of performance extends to higher education as well. All you have to do is look at the international test scores to see how the US is faring against other nations.

    All you have to do is listen to the OWS protesters, and there are a great many students there, to see how inarticulate they are and, overall, not overly bright. They seem to think they are educated because they went to school for a certain number of years, but are obviously not. Academic Failure - International Test Scores - Poor TIMSS Results

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    Re: Ohio voters reject Republican-backed union limits

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Jon Stewart is a comedian with some bias but who really cares? The evidence is that teachers are doing a bad job, despite the increase in costs over the past decades, and are very difficult to fire. They are, as in the case of Detroit, turning out too many sub-literate people. And that low quality of performance extends to higher education as well. All you have to do is look at the international test scores to see how the US is faring against other nations.

    All you have to do is listen to the OWS protesters, and there are a great many students there, to see how inarticulate they are and, overall, not overly bright. They seem to think they are educated because they went to school for a certain number of years, but are obviously not. Academic Failure - International Test Scores - Poor TIMSS Results
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    Re: Ohio voters reject Republican-backed union limits

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    I can rest my case then.

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    Re: Ohio voters reject Republican-backed union limits

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I can rest my case then.
    I don't think it's as doom and gloom as you make it sound though. There's are some major factors playing. One is the massive disparity in the education students get. When it's averaged it makes us look mediocre but when you take a district in Texas with a lot of first generation Americans and a district from the burbs where education is well funded you end up with a mediocre average.

    The the problem with the whole argument "we spend more than we ever have rawr!" There's been significant gains in populations that formally were stinted on education. That's where a lot of the funding is going, former district that had atrocious funding. They are seeing rises in education but when averaged out with the rest of the population the gains don't seem significant.

    Like John Edwards said before he imploded...we live in 2 America's. There's a class of citizens that get great educations and every opportunity. There's a lot of Americans that don't. Compare that to the European countries or Asian countries the study compares us too. Most of those are extremely centralized education system. If they raise education funding by 2 mill then that's given out based on population of schools. In America a school with 1k can have much more funding than a school with 5k students. That's why we suck!

    It's no different than our healthcare numbers. Great healthcare for some, horrible healthcare for some.
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    Re: Ohio voters reject Republican-backed union limits

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I don't think it's as doom and gloom as you make it sound though. There's are some major factors playing. One is the massive disparity in the education students get. When it's averaged it makes us look mediocre but when you take a district in Texas with a lot of first generation Americans and a district from the burbs where education is well funded you end up with a mediocre average.

    The the problem with the whole argument "we spend more than we ever have rawr!" There's been significant gains in populations that formally were stinted on education. That's where a lot of the funding is going, former district that had atrocious funding. They are seeing rises in education but when averaged out with the rest of the population the gains don't seem significant.

    Like John Edwards said before he imploded...we live in 2 America's. There's a class of citizens that get great educations and every opportunity. There's a lot of Americans that don't. Compare that to the European countries or Asian countries the study compares us too. Most of those are extremely centralized education system. If they raise education funding by 2 mill then that's given out based on population of schools. In America a school with 1k can have much more funding than a school with 5k students. That's why we suck!

    It's no different than our healthcare numbers. Great healthcare for some, horrible healthcare for some.
    One way to respond to the disparity in different school districts would be through comparison tests, which the teachers unions don't want. Another way would be to allow more charter schools, which the teacher's unions don't want. There is a thread that links poor education to poor teachers yet the teacher's unions don't appear eager t make any much needed changes.

    The United States was always a country of immigrants yet there education system served them well. I don't believe we can just blame immigrants or the problems.

    here's a list of countries involved in international scholastic measurements, with a chart near the bottom. You can see that many of these countries have immigrants also, which doesn't seem to be much of a factor. It can be, of course, but it tends to be subordinate to other issues.

    Programme for International Student Assessment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Ohio voters reject Republican-backed union limits

    Damn right they rejected this...
    Maybe the majority of Americans actually dont like those tea party platforms....
    Hmmmmmmm


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    Re: Ohio voters reject Republican-backed union limits

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Damn right they rejected this...
    Maybe the majority of Americans actually dont like those tea party platforms....
    Hmmmmmmm
    Or they are just sheep that don't realize the person being abused here is the voter..aka them. Then again, sheep where never known for their intelligence.

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    Re: Ohio voters reject Republican-backed union limits

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Or they are just sheep that don't realize the person being abused here is the voter..aka them. Then again, sheep where never known for their intelligence.
    Ohhhhh of course they are sheep?
    Couldnt you be a sheep?
    Could i be a sheep?
    Could we all be sheep?
    hmmmmm

    Nice rhetoric...


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    Re: Ohio voters reject Republican-backed union limits

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Damn right they rejected this...
    Maybe the majority of Americans actually dont like those tea party platforms....
    Hmmmmmmm
    It is a form of self flagellation. Those who voted against it are likely to just move on, though it might be a tough time now to try and sell your home in Ohio.

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    Re: Ohio voters reject Republican-backed union limits

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Damn right they rejected this...
    Maybe the majority of Americans actually dont like those tea party platforms....
    Hmmmmmmm
    The finer points of why this is wrong, typically slip over your head.

    It seems that no matter the circumstance, with many people like you is an automatic, union = always good.
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