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    Re: Ohio voters reject Republican-backed union limits

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    What it means is that the people of Ohio realized that teachers and firefighters aren't the problem, despite unrelenting efforts by Republicans to demonize them.
    This is a real victory for middle class Americans and a portent for 2012.
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    Re: Ohio voters reject Republican-backed union limits

    This is too funny. Keep telling yourself yesterday marked a major change in the tide.......speaking of tides, how about the vote in VA. It looks like the entire statehouse is going to be controlled by republicans, many strong social conservatives. This is the second time this has happened since the frigging Civil War.
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    Re: Ohio voters reject Republican-backed union limits

    All the pro-union victory on SB5 does is delay the day of reckoning.

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    Re: Ohio voters reject Republican-backed union limits

    Quote Originally Posted by conservativeguy View Post
    This is too funny. Keep telling yourself yesterday marked a major change in the tide.......speaking of tides, how about the vote in VA. It looks like the entire statehouse is going to be controlled by republicans, many strong social conservatives. This is the second time this has happened since the frigging Civil War.
    And that has what to do with the overturning of Ohio's anti union legislation? Please, try to keep up with the rest of us, or better yet, feel free to start this in a new thread.
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    Re: Ohio voters reject Republican-backed union limits

    Democracy speaks. Although Ohio voters made the wrong decision in my opinion.
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    Re: Ohio voters reject Republican-backed union limits

    Quote Originally Posted by Swit View Post
    Nope.... do you have any proof that anyone is suggesting that people making less than 250k/yr should pay more taxes? Well besides Herman Cain, Rick Perry and any other person suggesting a flat tax.

    EDIT: Keep in mind these were your words: "this is really hysterical. most of the people in the tea party movement are not the top 1 percent but rather those are tired of government waste, entitlement mentality and being told that they need to pay more and more taxes. Its the people who actually are paying income taxes"

    EDIT 2: oops meant to mention: Bold emphasis added by me.
    Lets see, if a person makes $25 K a year, a flat tax of 9% would be $2250 a year, if a person makes 250K a year, a 9% tax rate would be $22500 a year. So how exactly is a flat tax making people under $250K a year pay more taxes. If the tax rate is equal for everyone, then the more you make, the more in actual dollar amounts you will pay. Apparently to some people, "All men are created equal" should only apply to those who want "entitlements" from the government and used as a basis for enacting those "entitlements", but should not be applied to financially successful people when it comes to collecting monies to pay for the "entitlements".

    The "I want, they have" attitude seems to be growing in America. People seem much less likely to take into consideration that those who have more might of actually earned it. This constant "I am human, they are human and I deserve to have the same things regardless of what I actually have accomplished and earned" instead of "they did this or that and earned what they have and if I get off my lazy butt I could do the same and have the same things" is frankly annoying and in the long-term a very stupid way to approach socio-economics.

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    Re: Ohio voters reject Republican-backed union limits

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just the beginning

    The state's new collective bargaining law was defeated Tuesday after an expensive union-backed campaign that pitted firefighters, police officers and teachers against the Republican establishment.



    Ohio voters reject GOP-backed union limits
    Ohio voters made their bed,they can now lay it. Its a shame voters didn't approve of it.
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    Re: Ohio voters reject Republican-backed union limits

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Ohio voters made their bed,they can now lay it. Its a shame voters didn't approve of it.
    I know this is a radical thought, but there is the possibility that the governor apporached it wrong, and does present himself as anti-worker. Many conservatives come across that way, and perception is important.

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    Re: Ohio voters reject Republican-backed union limits

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I know this is a radical thought, but there is the possibility that the governor apporached it wrong, and does present himself as anti-worker. Many conservatives come across that way, and perception is important.
    Limiting unions does not make one anti-worker regardless of what big unions say. Most likely the unions claimed some bull**** it was for the for the kids(unions are not for kids,so it is a damn lie when they say its for the kids) or something else unrelated to unions like they did in Wisconsin to scare monger the people into voting for the unions.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Ohio voters reject Republican-backed union limits

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Limiting unions does not make one anti-worker regardless of what big unions say. Most likely the unions claimed some bull**** it was for the for the kids(unions are not for kids,so it is a damn lie when they say its for the kids) or something else unrelated to unions like they did in Wisconsin to scare monger the people into voting for the unions.
    The big unions are saying anything here; I am. he came across, like many conservatives, as anti-worker. And teachers unions don't represent kids, so it's kind of silly for anyone to make a argument about them concerning kids at all. That said, they are not anti-kid either. Both parties sign the agreements that are made. You should hold those who agree to conditions you find inappropriate in as much contempt as you do worker's unions. That you don't seem to, comes across as anti-worker.

    But really it is the rhetoric your side uses that most often paints that side as anti-worker. You make it sound often as if all teachers are bad when there is really a very small percentage that would fit that category. Too often you take the worse of all workers, again a small percentage, and behave as if it is all workers. Teachers, police officers, fire fighters all demonized in one way or another, and seldom express any support for issues that effect them greatly. But let someone suggest rasing a tax on a on a millionare or even a billionare, and those people are then so picked on. Poor poor folks.

    If you look, I think you can see what I mean.

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