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    Re: Ohio voters reject Republican-backed union limits

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Free speech and results have nothing to do with each other. You can say whatever you please, but that doesn't mean anyone has to listen.
    I never claimed you did have to listen.... as a matter of fact his just proves that negotiation sometimes break down.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    If I can't fire them and I can't keep on the replacements instead of the strikers as that would be a violation of federal law. I can't move to another factory to get around the process, nor can I send the work elsewhere in any other way. Tell me again how I can ignore these people in front of my business and better yet how to get rid of them without bargaining with them? Got any ideas? The only thing the employer gets is they don't have to pay them when they strike. Gee..maybe they will leave or maybe they will be even a bigger pest and hurt my business. Btw, ever here of the government suing business when they refuse to bargain? Yeah, that is what happens.
    So basically your are just saying you don't want to comply with federal law in certain instances... OK well I can understand that there are many laws I don't feel I should have to comply with either.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Ah..how is that related exactly? These people have jobs, JOBS they can leave if they don't like how they are paid. If the government said I owe them everything I make I don't exactly have any other choice since they arrest me if I say no. Learn your laws and market forces then offer up a good comparison.
    Well, in my opinion it is related like this.... and here is your quote for reference:
    Please do not tell me but that isn't what it is about. If the government said no just once people would cry they had their rights violated and this kind of thing proves it.
    While your assertion may in fact be correct, how can you complain that you are doing anything different?
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    Re: Ohio voters reject Republican-backed union limits

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    do you have any proof that the teaparty is mostly made up of people making more than 250K a year?
    The first time you PROVE or even provide a link for anything you say...Ill consider it...thank you

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    Re: Ohio voters reject Republican-backed union limits

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    What it means is that the people of Ohio realized that teachers and firefighters aren't the problem, despite unrelenting efforts by Republicans to demonize them.
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    Re: Ohio voters reject Republican-backed union limits

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    If I can't fire them and I can't keep on the replacements instead of the strikers as that would be a violation of federal law. I can't move to another factory to get around the process, nor can I send the work elsewhere in any other way. Tell me again how I can ignore these people in front of my business and better yet how to get rid of them without bargaining with them? Got any ideas? The only thing the employer gets is they don't have to pay them when they strike. Gee..maybe they will leave or maybe they will be even a bigger pest and hurt my business. Btw, ever here of the government suing business when they refuse to bargain? Yeah, that is what happens.
    I don't oppose the right of a group of employees negotiate as a single unit, nor do I oppose the right of a group of employees to threaten (or actually do) walk off the job.

    However, I do oppose the sorts of government restrictions you cite above. Both the employee and the employer must have the ability to walk away, but it looks like the law takes away that ability from the employer.

    Actually, it looks like the only party actually being restricted in any way is the employer.

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    Re: Ohio voters reject Republican-backed union limits

    Most excellent news from Ohio. The people exercised great judgment and refused to be brainwashed by right wing propaganda. The tide has turned and the winds have shifted. Ohio could well be in the Democratic column in 2012 based on this rather one sided vote.

    Here in Michigan, unions also won a big vote as conservative GOP House member Paul Scott became the first member of the legislature to be successfully recalled in twenty years. He was chairman of the Education Committee which has rammed through anti teacher union bills over the past ten months. He was recalled Tuesday night. Teacher unions were the backbone of the campagn against him.

    I am reminded of Twisted Sister this morning.

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    Re: Ohio voters reject Republican-backed union limits

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Always worth a laugh when people actually consider bargaining a right.

    If you are forcing someone to bargain with you it can't possibly be a right to do.

    Please do not tell me but that isn't what it is about. If the government said no just once people would cry they had their rights violated and this kind of thing proves it.
    In 1941, seventy years ago, the great American filmmaker Frank Capra made MEET JOHN DOE. Its about the Koch Brothers and the tea party. A right wing authoritarian attempts to whip up the common people in a new political movement which would strip those same people of their rights when their dreams of power are achieved. Watch it and observe how eerily it predicted the entire tea party movement and their manipulation by rich authoritarians and extremists.

    At the end of the film the authoritarian rightie is exposed and showed up by the common man who no longer will be led by the nose. the last line of the film comes from a hardboiled worker who informs the industrialist that he just got his ass handed to him.

    There you are, Norton - - the people, try and lick that.

    The people have spoken in Ohio. Deal with it. Or not. We still won. And what you think or do not think rights are is irrelevant to reality.
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    Re: Ohio voters reject Republican-backed union limits

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Most excellent news from Ohio. The people exercised great judgment and refused to be brainwashed by right wing propaganda. The tide has turned and the winds have shifted. Ohio could well be in the Democratic column in 2012 based on this rather one sided vote.

    Here in Michigan, unions also won a big vote as conservative GOP House member Paul Scott became the first member of the legislature to be successfully recalled in twenty years. He was chairman of the Education Committee which has rammed through anti teacher union bills over the past ten months. He was recalled Tuesday night. Teacher unions were the backbone of the campagn against him.

    I am reminded of Twisted Sister this morning.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xmckWVPRaI&ob=av2n

    the message has been sent loud and clear.
    Hay sorry dude...that is one whacked out lousy video lol

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    Re: Ohio voters reject Republican-backed union limits

    I did some research a moment ago and found this interesting tidbit about the Ohio voters yesterday. Yes, they voted to allow collective bargaining which will increase their taxes. But wait, voters in major cities shot down attempts to increase property taxes to actually fund their own schools. Voters in Cleveland, Dayton, Cinncinnati, and other cities, rejected higher property taxes to fund their schools, which are running substantial deficits. Without the new money, many of the school districts are going to be laying off teachers. What's up with that?
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    Re: Ohio voters reject Republican-backed union limits

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    they didnt touch my pension and they cant..and let me give you a clue..i dont need my pension to live a good life.

    The teaparty is of the rich and only for the rich...each one of the teaparty supported and elected govs have screwed public workers vilified them and either gave or tried to give what they took of them to the richest and the corporations.
    Turtledude the gop cant bullchit the mass's anymore...we know corporations pay squat for taxs and the rich pay pennies on what they used to pay and should pay...we know the rich have milked this country dry and screwed every working person in their path as they did it...but the biggest thing that turned me against the teaparty is their rhetoric..that sounds just like yours...everyone that isnt rich is a parasitic pos...and they and their families deserve nothing...nada, no pensions, no healthcare no security, their only function as humans is to service the rich and make them richer.....im rich i got mine and screw everyone else....well screw the teaparty
    amen!! Preach it brother!!

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    Re: Ohio voters reject Republican-backed union limits

    Quote Originally Posted by conservativeguy View Post
    So what is the problem in minds of the Ohio voters? They aren't paying enough taxes?
    the problem is the way kasich's ignorant ass and his republican cronies tried to ram the pos bill down our throats...kasich claims the state has a budget crisis..ok, then why not sit down with the unions, and seek concessions? this never crossed kasichs mind....he had this in his head that he was going to ram this through, and bend the unions over the table and stick it to 'em good...he didnt count on the backlash from his ham handedness in handling this.....kasich is a 'my way or the highway' type prick...well, the good people of ohio told him and his cronies to piss off yesterday. personally, i'm ok with asking those government employees to pick up more of the cost of their benefits, no problem, sit down and negotiate...don't come and say f### you unions, we are doing this my way, tough s### if you don't like it....another problem i had was the bill would have taken away arbitration as a solution for disputes between the unions and the government. when you think that stripping people of their rights is the solution to your problems, i have a BIG PROBLEM with that.

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