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    Re: Ohio voters reject Republican-backed union limits

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I don't recall doing that either. Perhaps you can link where I have.

    And show that it is abusive. Would those paying 40% really want to be poorer? What have they lost? Where is the abuse? You do know that word has a read dennotative definition, right?
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    I'm not sure. To whom were you referring?
    I was under the impression that strong conservatives hold majority rule of the people as one of their fundamental tenets. That's part of why they like local rule, dislike "activist judges," etc. Interestingly, there is a bit of merit to the idea, but IMO in practice it just isn't good enough.
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    Re: Ohio voters reject Republican-backed union limits

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    I'm not sure. To whom were you referring?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    We Are The 1% - CollegeHumor VideoI was under the impression that strong conservatives hold majority rule of the people as one of their fundamental tenets. That's part of why they like local rule, dislike "activist judges," etc.
    Interesting. I don't know of anyone who holds these opinions.

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    Re: Ohio voters reject Republican-backed union limits

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Indeed, if things are going their way it's a conservative revolution. If not, it's the tyranny of the majority.
    This is bad for Ohio the same way Barrack Obama is bad for the United States. However no one is wanting an end to democracy as a result of these goofy decisions. These things happen, and it is hoped people learn from them, though that is difficult with the unions also running the schools.

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    Re: Ohio voters reject Republican-backed union limits

    Boo Radley;1059946346]We don't have UHC, so they aren't taking it for that. But yes, taxes pay for ****. No one denies that. But, we pay now. Right now. And we pay more than other countries, for less. Not sure why you think that is good. But do always keep in mind my argument: we need to cut spending and increase revenue. To do this, we should also clarify where we spend money. Health care is one of the places I think we should. That's just an argument. Not crying at all. Not saying poor anyone.
    Really kind of a confusing post, you say that we pay more then many other counties in taxes, yet you want to raise our taxes, will you be happy when we pay more than any other country???
    It's also been pointed out that we pay more in health care then most other countries, yet you want to increase our spending on health care. I just can't help but to wonder as a modern day liberal, is there any solution with you people that doesn't call for even more spending? Forgive me for saying this .... but it's just that kind of thinking that has this country of ours 15 trillion dollars in debt.


    On that, you're completely wrong about. You pay for others, and with no mechanism to monitor how much you pay over what was used. Those countries have better access. Do better overall, despite some problems, than we do. And I suspect, if we really tried, we could do even better.
    Yes we can do better, I don't think anyone is arguing that point, but you fail to point on a very important factor, we have the very best health care in the world. To those that have decent health care insurance, or the money to pay for their health care, we have the best, bar none. Our problem is not the health care that we have, it's in making it more affordable to those that don't have it. We disagree in a major way, because there are still over 70% of the people that have access to our health care, and I don't think that we should diminish the quality of what we have, as we seem to be doing with the health care bill we now have. But again .. I understand that with liberals like yourself, the answer to all our problems is just to spend more on a problem and that will fix it.

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    Re: Ohio voters reject Republican-backed union limits

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    According to a BLS report from January 2011 almost 63% of workers in education, training, and library occupations are NON union. So why you want to put students poor performance on the union teachers who do not make policy?
    There is no doubt that education standards in the United States has dropped. This is reflected by those participating in the OWS protests whenever they're given a chance to speak, as well as what frequently appears on these boards. The United States, as well as Britain, was once looked upon as the gold standard in education but that has obviously changed over the past generation.

    You can deny it or do something about it, but there is no doubt that without remaining competitive in education the United States will continue its slide vis a vis other nations. The natural wealth and freedoms many Americans still feel is their birthright and the natural order of things, will continue to slip away. It is not written in the stars that the superior lifestyle Americans have enjoyed over the decades is a thing of permanence. Americans have recently changed their philosophy and attitudes and, as they do so, their prominence in the world will drift away. Ideas have consequences and the ideas of the Left always and inevitably have amazing similar consequences.

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    Re: Ohio voters reject Republican-backed union limits

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the richest one percent, the richest 5 percent pay more of the federal income tax burden now than at any point in the last 7 decades. Seems to me that group is paying enough
    More Americans contributed to their country in taxes and all fit American men served their country in the draft. This contributed greatly to spirit of America and the understanding of other Americans from every part of the country. Now that spirit is waning and there are Red and Blue States, the "What's the matter with Kansas" attitudes, and attacks on 'the rich' to pay for the social engineering experiments. We can see the consequences of this playing out on our newscasts every day.

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    Re: Ohio voters reject Republican-backed union limits

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    Really kind of a confusing post, you say that we pay more then many other counties in taxes, yet you want to raise our taxes, will you be happy when we pay more than any other country???
    It's also been pointed out that we pay more in health care then most other countries, yet you want to increase our spending on health care. I just can't help but to wonder as a modern day liberal, is there any solution with you people that doesn't call for even more spending? Forgive me for saying this .... but it's just that kind of thinking that has this country of ours 15 trillion dollars in debt.



    Yes we can do better, I don't think anyone is arguing that point, but you fail to point on a very important factor, we have the very best health care in the world. To those that have decent health care insurance, or the money to pay for their health care, we have the best, bar none. Our problem is not the health care that we have, it's in making it more affordable to those that don't have it. We disagree in a major way, because there are still over 70% of the people that have access to our health care, and I don't think that we should diminish the quality of what we have, as we seem to be doing with the health care bill we now have. But again .. I understand that with liberals like yourself, the answer to all our problems is just to spend more on a problem and that will fix it.
    Good points, and to make for more competition the Health Care insurers must also be allowed. Insurance Companies Should Be Allowed to Sell Policies Across State Lines - WSJ.com

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    Re: Ohio voters reject Republican-backed union limits

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    LOL, a childish flame, factless post, goalpost shift, and strawman all rolled into one. Nicely done!
    You described the left when talking about the right. Its called a correction. Correcting mistakes is not a strawman or a goal post shift, but sure the way I did it is a bit childish.

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    So it should be easy for someone of your mental capacity then. Please, do explain what this means

    Illuminate us. Edify us. Inform us. Teach us.

    I suspect even you don't know what you wrote and cannot do so.
    Should I go through a list of spending you desire or you should you just admit the meaning of what I said is obvious?
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    Re: Ohio voters reject Republican-backed union limits

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    There is no doubt that education standards in the United States has dropped. This is reflected by those participating in the OWS protests whenever they're given a chance to speak, as well as what frequently appears on these boards.
    Good observation. For example, "standards" is plural so it would incorrect to say that they "has" dropped.

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    Re: Ohio voters reject Republican-backed union limits

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    There is no doubt that education standards in the United States has dropped. This is reflected by those participating in the OWS protests whenever they're given a chance to speak, as well as what frequently appears on these boards. The United States, as well as Britain, was once looked upon as the gold standard in education but that has obviously changed over the past generation.

    You can deny it or do something about it, but there is no doubt that without remaining competitive in education the United States will continue its slide vis a vis other nations. The natural wealth and freedoms many Americans still feel is their birthright and the natural order of things, will continue to slip away. It is not written in the stars that the superior lifestyle Americans have enjoyed over the decades is a thing of permanence. Americans have recently changed their philosophy and attitudes and, as they do so, their prominence in the world will drift away. Ideas have consequences and the ideas of the Left always and inevitably have amazing similar consequences.

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    Nice strawman you've created there.

    Who's arguing that point?

    You were pointing the finger at the cause of the demise of the education standards towards teachers unions. I merely pointed out that teachers are 63% NON union. Not to mention that policy setting administrators are probably 100% NON union.
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