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    Re: Ohio voters reject Republican-backed union limits

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The finer points of why this is wrong, typically slip over your head.

    It seems that no matter the circumstance, with many people like you is an automatic, union = always good.
    Soo how is restricting collective bargaining rights for cops, firefighters, teachers and other public employees a "finer point"?


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    Re: Ohio voters reject Republican-backed union limits

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Soo how is restricting collective bargaining rights for cops, firefighters, teachers and other public employees a "finer point"?
    They have a service monopoly and a captive system of fee payments.
    The voters, which include the union members, have to pay for these services, whether or not these teachers, firefighters and cops are on strike or not.

    Employees in a union with a private business /= public employee unions.
    The public employees have a higher duty to provide services, that are democratically decided as necessary to the public, trying to withhold these services through striking should be criminal.

    I can't choose not to pay taxes for these services, but the service employees can choose not to work?
    Where is the balance and fairness?
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    Re: Ohio voters reject Republican-backed union limits

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Damn right they rejected this...
    Maybe the majority of Americans actually dont like those tea party platforms....
    Hmmmmmmm
    The fact that a majority of people support something doesn't make it right. If it did, we would not need a bill of rights.

    The majority can generally be counted on to support sticking it to the minority, especially if it can gain by doing so.

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    Re: Ohio voters reject Republican-backed union limits

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Ohhhhh of course they are sheep?
    Couldnt you be a sheep?
    Could i be a sheep?
    Could we all be sheep?
    hmmmmm

    Nice rhetoric...
    Read the thread did you? What is happening between the union the government right now? What did I say? The voters going along with it only proves they are as dumb as sheep.

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    Re: Ohio voters reject Republican-backed union limits

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Jon Stewart is a comedian with some bias but who really cares? The evidence is that teachers are doing a bad job, despite the increase in costs over the past decades, and are very difficult to fire. They are, as in the case of Detroit, turning out too many sub-literate people. And that low quality of performance extends to higher education as well. All you have to do is look at the international test scores to see how the US is faring against other nations.

    All you have to do is listen to the OWS protesters, and there are a great many students there, to see how inarticulate they are and, overall, not overly bright. They seem to think they are educated because they went to school for a certain number of years, but are obviously not. Academic Failure - International Test Scores - Poor TIMSS Results
    Comedian or not, he showed the clips. Bias means nothing. Being a comedian means nothing. The only argument you can actual present is those clips are nto real. If real, the point stands regardless of any whinning.

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    Re: Ohio voters reject Republican-backed union limits

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Government workers already have a voice with their employer.
    They are voters.

    There is no reason to have them unionized and it does not handicap them.
    Not remotely the same thing. Negotiating for working conditions and pay is much more specific, with different interests. So, no I don't buy your premise in the slightest. Sorry.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Ohio voters reject Republican-backed union limits

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Jon Stewart is a comedian with some bias but who really cares? The evidence is that teachers are doing a bad job, despite the increase in costs over the past decades, and are very difficult to fire. They are, as in the case of Detroit, turning out too many sub-literate people. And that low quality of performance extends to higher education as well. All you have to do is look at the international test scores to see how the US is faring against other nations.

    All you have to do is listen to the OWS protesters, and there are a great many students there, to see how inarticulate they are and, overall, not overly bright. They seem to think they are educated because they went to school for a certain number of years, but are obviously not. Academic Failure - International Test Scores - Poor TIMSS Results
    According to a BLS report from January 2011 almost 63% of workers in education, training, and library occupations are NON union. So why you want to put students poor performance on the union teachers who do not make policy?
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    Re: Ohio voters reject Republican-backed union limits

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    EERRR, I think you misread. The point was that 'Ohio' would be 'stealing' money from 'working stiffs' (the taxpayers) and giving it to 'public sector union folks'.


    Please reduce the level of your 'partisan rhetoric alarm'.
    The private companies STEAL from ALL americans when they give their workers raises and raise the price of their goods...
    You like many others leave out that many public workers are SKILLED workers and do jobs many if not most private sector workers cannot do.
    You dont walk in the door and become a police officer or fireman just because you want too....You dont become a teacher off the street....The problem is that all of YOU want the private sector that has devalued the working class down to NOTHING on their whim...you want that applied to public workers....instead of running around whining public workers are overpaid how about making corporations pay what they USED to pay...

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    Re: Ohio voters reject Republican-backed union limits

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    According to a BLS report from January 2011 almost 63% of workers in education, training, and library occupations are NON union. So why you want to put students poor performance on the union teachers who do not make policy?
    Because who they are really complaining about are teachers in general. Unions are just used as a stealth way of doing that.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Ohio voters reject Republican-backed union limits

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    The message of the voters is 100% clear- they won't tolerate trying to put the whole deficit just on the backs of the middle class. If Republicans in the state ignore that and just ram ahead with a different mechanism to accomplish the same thing, their days of being a serious party in Ohio would be over. I doubt they'll be that dumb. No, they need to find a solution to the deficit that requires everybody to chip it- rich and middle class alike.
    the richest one percent, the richest 5 percent pay more of the federal income tax burden now than at any point in the last 7 decades. Seems to me that group is paying enough



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