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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Doesn't matter. What matters is that we avoid tyranny, be by the majority, or by the minority.
    so, what books have you been reading that makes you so fearful?
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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Tyranny... You think that having to buy health insurance, which mind you, if that would be difficult at all for you financially, is free, is "tyranny"? But let me guess, you think the unlimited executive authority to detain whoever it wants in secret prisons around the world without reporting who or how many people they have, with no requirements for due process, and torturing those people, that doesn't bother you. Right?
    Nope. Tyranny is tyranny. Be it in the form of forcing me to purchase something I may not want, or in the form of detaining me against my will, and against the rules set forth by the law of the land....
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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    so, what books have you been reading that makes you so fearful?
    What do you mean by books? None were mentioned...I was simply responding to the idea that since some states have lower populations, they should have to adhere to the whims of states with higher populations. AKA, the Tyranny of the majority.
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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Nope. Tyranny is tyranny. Be it in the form of forcing me to purchase something I may not want, or in the form of detaining me against my will, and against the rules set forth by the law of the land....
    So the only options you recognize are tyranny or anarchy? If any obligation or restraint is placed on you, that is tyranny?

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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    So the only options you recognize are tyranny or anarchy? If any obligation or restraint is placed on you, that is tyranny?
    No. We live in a republic...which SHOULD mean, we get a CHOICE, broken down by state, region, district, etc, on how our tax dollars are spent, and on which programs we are forced to support.
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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    No. We live in a republic...which SHOULD mean, we get a CHOICE, broken down by state, region, district, etc, on how our tax dollars are spent, and on which programs we are forced to support.
    But at the federal level, you see the only options as anarchy or tyranny, right? You don't believe the federal government should be able to exert any authority or expect anything of you at all?

    Well, that is what we had prior to the constitution. Under the articles of confederation the federal government was more or less without any power at all. It was a total disaster. That's why they drafted the constitution.
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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    But at the federal level, you see the only options as anarchy or tyranny, right? You don't believe the federal government should be able to exert any authority or expect anything of you at all?

    Well, that is what we had prior to the constitution. Under the articles of confederation the federal government was more or less without any power at all. It was a total disaster. That's why they drafted the constitution.
    At the federal level, I view the government as being only able to enact such things as the constitution will allow. Sadly, after the civil war, the power granted o the federal government have done nothing but grow, and become highly self serving. I am not an anarchist. I believe in fundamental rights, and in the basic suppliers of those rights. Infrastructure, etc. What I DON'T believe in, is the MIC, or the 175K wages that the average ellected official makes, or the idea that we need military bases in 78% of the worlds countries and cultures.
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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Nope. Tyranny is tyranny. Be it in the form of forcing me to purchase something I may not want, or in the form of detaining me against my will, and against the rules set forth by the law of the land....
    Well, if you come down under to good old ORstaylia you will find a pretty socialist type of government that most people seem to like and which has distinctly failed to tyrannise us
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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    What do you mean by books? None were mentioned...I was simply responding to the idea that since some states have lower populations, they should have to adhere to the whims of states with higher populations. AKA, the Tyranny of the majority.
    Tyranny of the majority = DEMOCRACY. Love it or leave it.

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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Tyranny of the majority = DEMOCRACY. Love it or leave it.
    Your characterization would be right for an unrestrained democracy.

    In these united states, however, the majority is restrained by the constitution. The majority may only exercise authority over certain specific subjects, and is forbidden from ruling in areas to which it has not been granted authority. For example, the majority may not establish an official religion.

    In our constitutional republic, I donít really think one can seriously claim that the majority rules in all instances and that the minority must simply suck it up and love it or leave it.

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