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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    the people ARE the govt....if the people choose it, and they have so far, then the govt must supply it...
    Kinda like how the South CHOSE to not be a part of the Union? How did that work out for them?

    We have a constitution, bud. There precisely to protect us form the tyranny of the majority. We are NOT a democracy. If the majority of americans CHOOSE to pass a law to enslave wealthy people, guess what? They can't. Because every in this country share the same rights as everyone else, NO MATTER WHAT ONE GROUP OR ANOTHER WANTS.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    A high deductible family policy is not that bad.....our son has one for under $400 per month, $1500 per person deductible, and it pays 100% after that. Annual wellness checks and related labwork is free.

    agree that Cobra is a ripoff..

    yes, typically only large companies offer health insurance at a decent price, but if you go to many of them already insured, they will usually pay you what they would have paid to cover you. Military retirees get that deal often...
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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    The only thing we need now, if this bill passes, is for government to find some reason to take over, or get involved in the operation of health insurance companies.

    Then we'll have a industry owned, and enforced, by the government.

    Hmmmm.....and what would that make it, again?
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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    The suits were brought by more than 2 dozen states.....over 24 states that feel this law is unconstitutional, and are going to have it FORCED on them anyway, regardless of what those state's representatives, and their constituents say or want.
    The number of states doesn't really tell you much. California alone has more people in it than the smallest 25 states combined.

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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    I'm not entirely sure how the SCOTUS will rule on the case. If I had to bet, I'd bet that they find that it is not unconstitutional. Legally the issue isn't exactly the mandate- that is actually clearly constitutional according to the standards the SCOTUS has been following for the last 70 or 80 years. What could be unconstitutional is actually the penalty for not buying insurance. The constitution doesn't forbid penalizing inaction, but historically it is something we've shied away from. Some argue that over time it has become like an implied constitutional prohibition. There is something to that. It's not a crazy argument. But, practically speaking, the SCOTUS is usually extremely reluctant to overturn a major program authorized by Congress. IMO they're unlikely to do it just on the basis of some implied, unstated, general principle type reason. I think it would need to actually violate something written in the constitution for them to do that.

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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    I'm not entirely sure how the SCOTUS will rule on the case. If I had to bet, I'd bet that they find that it is not unconstitutional. Legally the issue isn't exactly the mandate- that is actually clearly constitutional according to the standards the SCOTUS has been following for the last 70 or 80 years. What could be unconstitutional is actually the penalty for not buying insurance. The constitution doesn't forbid penalizing inaction, but historically it is something we've shied away from. Some argue that over time it has become like an implied constitutional prohibition. There is something to that. It's not a crazy argument. But, practically speaking, the SCOTUS is usually extremely reluctant to overturn a major program authorized by Congress. IMO they're unlikely to do it just on the basis of some implied, unstated, general principle type reason. I think it would need to actually violate something written in the constitution for them to do that.
    If SCOTUS rules BOCare, with it's mandate, is Constitutional, they should promptly rule the Constitution no longer matters and the Country is ruled under the Commerce Clause and any damn thing Congress wants to pass ...... period.
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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by conservativeguy View Post
    If SCOTUS rules BOCare, with it's mandate, is Constitutional, they should promptly rule the Constitution no longer matters and the Country is ruled under the Commerce Clause and any damn thing Congress wants to pass ...... period.
    They pretty much already have dude. Like 70 years ago. More or less, anything relating to the economy is fair game for Congress to regulate.

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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by conservativeguy View Post
    If SCOTUS rules BOCare, with it's mandate, is Constitutional, they should promptly rule the Constitution no longer matters and the Country is ruled under the Commerce Clause and any damn thing Congress wants to pass ...... period.
    Good luck looking for the judiciary of the federal government to reign in the legislature of the federal government. Federal judges are, after all, FEDERAL judges. Why would they limit the power of their own organization.

    At some point, the several states are going to have to step in to defend their citizens from a federal government spiraling out of control. Otherwise, the constitution will be dismembered clause by clause.

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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    The number of states doesn't really tell you much. California alone has more people in it than the smallest 25 states combined.
    Doesn't matter. What matters is that we avoid tyranny, be by the majority, or by the minority.
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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Doesn't matter. What matters is that we avoid tyranny, be by the majority, or by the minority.
    Tyranny... You think that having to buy health insurance, which mind you, if that would be difficult at all for you financially, is free, is "tyranny"? But let me guess, you think the unlimited executive authority to detain whoever it wants in secret prisons around the world without reporting who or how many people they have, with no requirements for due process, and torturing those people, that doesn't bother you. Right?

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