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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    And that is basically what decades of Supreme Court jurisprudence has said with respect to the Commerce Clause.
    Name the case where the commerce clause was used to regulate non activity. A case that forces every person in the country to buy a product or be subject to a fine/tax, whatever you want to call it.
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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    This is a huge blow to freedom. Almost treasonous.
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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    This is a huge blow to freedom. Almost treasonous.
    Your right a law made through the legislative process is "treasonous"?
    But wait, how is this treasonous?


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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Also want to take note that this court was conservative leaning as well...


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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Also want to take note that this court was conservative leaning as well...
    There were three judges on this appeal, two conservative and one liberal. The other conservative judge did not join the majority.
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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Only liability is required by law for car insurance, and that's to protect other motorists. Home owner's insurance is not required by law...it IS required if you finance your house, however, and it is required not by the government, but by your financier.

    Companies are not required by law to offer health insurance...they do so because their competition does, and as such, they must as well, in order to be attractive to the people they wish to employ. Companies are all not required by law to offer pension, 401K, or anything else, either, but again, they do so in order to be more appealing to potential talent.

    Your sarcasm was both obvious, and poor.
    We buy car insurance for multiple reasons, to protect our investment in the car should it get damaged, to protect our assets in case we cause an accident, and because it is the responsible thing to do. It is required by law. We can only forego car insurance by not owning one.
    Same for home insuarance, protect ourselves and it is the responsible thing to do. again, we don't have to own one.
    Health insurance is the same. Our health needs to be protected, we can't make a living if we are too ill to go to work, and it is the responsible thing to do. But we do "own" our health, no choice here except suicide.
    People who refuse to buy insurance are irresponsible. And most of those who claim they can't afford it are liars.
    Companies who offer benefits do so for the reasons you state, but when we compete with overseas companies, we are behind the curve.
    Employee Benefits are archaic, and will be gone in a few more generations.
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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    I also want employers to stop offering health insurance and pension plans.
    Actually that would probably spur faster reform than trying to fix the problem through Obama cares. Most of the people with insurance in this country have insurance through their employer. Most people who have insurance through their employer do not know the total cost of that insurance. It creates stupid internet comments like "They bought a big screen TV instead of insurance" (not quoting anyone specific, just a generic example.) You could buy a big screen TV each month instead of buying insurance. If we eliminate employer subsidized insurance and people realized just how much it really cost, they'd probably care more about that and want it fixed.

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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by vvx View Post
    Actually that would probably spur faster reform than trying to fix the problem through Obama cares. Most of the people with insurance in this country have insurance through their employer. Most people who have insurance through their employer do not know the total cost of that insurance. It creates stupid internet comments like "They bought a big screen TV instead of insurance" (not quoting anyone specific, just a generic example.) You could buy a big screen TV each month instead of buying insurance. If we eliminate employer subsidized insurance and people realized just how much it really cost, they'd probably care more about that and want it fixed.
    and there would be more competition among the companies. They either provide good service at a competitive rate, or they go out of business.
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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by conservativeguy View Post
    Name the case where the commerce clause was used to regulate non activity. A case that forces every person in the country to buy a product or be subject to a fine/tax, whatever you want to call it.
    There hasn't been one, that I'm aware of. Doesn't change the fact that, under Commerce Clause jurisprudence, Congress is entitled to enact any law that's even remotely connected to interstate commerce. This isn't even close.

    It should be obvious that it's constitutional as they could have done exactly the same thing by passing a tax instead of a penalty. Instead of charging a penalty for failure to buy insurance you charge *everyone* $95/yr. on their tax bill, refundable upon proof of insurance.

    According to your logic, Congress has already passed a law requiring everyone in the country to buy a home on credit, because people can deduct their mortgage interest.

    It's just trumped up outrage over a plan originally conceived by the conservative Heritage Foundation at the behest of Republicans.

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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    There hasn't been one, that I'm aware of. Doesn't change the fact that, under Commerce Clause jurisprudence, Congress is entitled to enact any law that's even remotely connected to interstate commerce. This isn't even close.

    It should be obvious that it's constitutional as they could have done exactly the same thing by passing a tax instead of a penalty. Instead of charging a penalty for failure to buy insurance you charge *everyone* $95/yr. on their tax bill, refundable upon proof of insurance.

    According to your logic, Congress has already passed a law requiring everyone in the country to buy a home on credit, because people can deduct their mortgage interest.

    It's just trumped up outrage over a plan originally conceived by the conservative Heritage Foundation at the behest of Republicans.
    . If SCOTUS approves this extension of the already out of control Commerce Clause rulings, the rest of the Constitution is meaningless.
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