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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by Sunbelt View Post
    No, what I want is a separation of two parties into two nations. Liberals are impossible to live with.
    That would be even more idiotic. No offense. But its true. How would you uphold such a thing? As time passes the once total conservative nation would become riddled with liberals and visa versa with the liberal nation.

    Also..how would you make such a nation? Take away a liberals/conservatives property and force them to move to the "liberal/conservative side"?

    Who gets to determine what is liberal and what is not?

    How would you handle those people that are liberal in only some aspects and conservative in other aspects? Make three nations?
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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    I don't think that would work out quite how you are picturing...

    States by median income:
    # 1 New Jersey: $61,359.00
    # 2 Connecticut: $60,528.00
    # 3 Maryland: $57,424.00

    # 4 Alaska: $57,027.00
    # 5 Massachusetts: $55,658.00
    # 6 New Hampshire: $55,580.00
    # 7 Hawaii: $53,554.00
    # 8 Virginia: $51,689.00
    # 9 California: $51,185.00
    # 10 Minnesota: $50,860.00
    # 11 Delaware: $50,315.00
    # 12 Illinois: $48,953.00
    # 13 Rhode Island: $48,722.00
    # 14 Colorado: $48,198.00
    # 15 Washington: $47,659.00
    # 16 New York: $47,349.00

    # 17 Utah: $47,074.00
    # 18 District of Columbia: $46,574.00
    # 19 Vermont: $46,543.00
    # 20 Wisconsin: $45,315.00
    # 21 Michigan: $44,905.00
    # 22 Nevada: $44,646.00

    # 23 Wyoming: $44,275.00
    # 24 Georgia: $43,037.00

    # 25 Pennsylvania: $42,941.00
    # 26 Ohio: $42,240.00
    # 27 Indiana: $42,195.00
    # 28 Maine: $42,163.00

    # 29 Arizona: $41,995.00
    # 30 Oregon: $41,794.00
    # 31 Texas: $41,759.00
    # 32 Nebraska: $41,657.00
    # 33 Kansas: $41,638.00
    # 34 Missouri: $41,473.00

    # 35 Iowa: $41,350.00
    # 36 Florida: $41,236.00

    # 37 Idaho: $39,934.00
    # 38 South Carolina: $39,837.00
    # 39 North Dakota: $39,447.00

    # 40 North Carolina: $39,428.00
    # 41 Tennessee: $38,794.00
    # 42 South Dakota: $38,472.00
    # 43 Alabama: $36,709.00

    # 44 New Mexico: $36,043.00
    # 45 Oklahoma: $35,357.00
    # 46 Kentucky: $35,269.00
    # 47 Montana: $35,239.00
    # 48 Louisiana: $35,110.00
    # 49 Arkansas: $32,983.00
    # 50 Mississippi: $31,642.00
    # 51 West Virginia: $31,504.00


    Median Household Income statistics - states compared - StateMaster Economy


    Top 10 biggest net contributors to the federal government:
    New Jersey 55%
    Connecticut 66%
    New Hampshire 67%
    Minnesota 69%
    Illinois 73%
    Nevada 73%
    Massachusetts 77%
    California 79%
    Colorado 79%
    New York 79%

    (the percentage is the percentage of every dollar in federal taxes paid that gets spent in that state)


    Top 10 biggest withdrawers from the federal government:
    South Dakota 149%
    Montana 158%

    Hawaii 160%
    Virginia 166%

    Alabama 171%
    North Dakota 173%
    Mississippi 177%
    West Virginia 183%
    Alaska 187%

    New Mexico 200%
    OK, first of all, you give no indication as to who the actual wage earners are -- there could be more republicans than democrats as top earners in those states -- and second, your list does nothing to rebut the foreign invasion, aggressive tax hikes and mind numbing road construction projects that I mentioned in the original post.

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    joke Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    That would be even more idiotic.
    No, it wouldn't. The idea itself would be a dream come true, but the prospect is impossible. This whole line of thinking was a spoof of sorts in response to one of UtahBill's ridiculous demands in an earlier post.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    No offense.
    None taken. You were talking from a place of ignorance to begin with, so how could you possibly offend me?
    Last edited by Sunbelt; 11-13-11 at 11:42 AM.

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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I would rather have an open, honest, society. One where people actually work together instead of against each other for personal gain. What you want, a seperate two party nation, leads to nothing.
    Greater State rights would go a long way in solving that problem rather than the growth in the federal government overwhelming the individual States.

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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by Sunbelt View Post
    OK, first of all, you give no indication as to who the actual wage earners are -- there could be more republicans than democrats as top earners in those states -- and second, your list does nothing to rebut the foreign invasion, aggressive tax hikes and mind numbing road construction projects that I mentioned in the original post.
    What it tells you is that liberal policy works a lot better than conservative policy economically. The blue states are thriving with their higher taxes and greater social spending while the red states are falling behind with their low taxes and crippling lack of investment in their population. The lesson is that when you don't invest much in keeping your society strong, you undercut your future.
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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    What it tells you is that liberal policy works a lot better than conservative policy economically. The blue states are thriving with their higher taxes and greater social spending while the red states are falling behind with their low taxes and crippling lack of investment in their population. The lesson is that when you don't invest much in keeping your society strong, you undercut your future.
    That doesn't make any sense, as both Red and Blue states are represented in the top 10 of the US's worst economies. No, it's better to conclude that the primary reason these states are in such disarray is that our overly intrusive national government has quashed any attempt to build a strong private sector, and has left the economies in total shambles.

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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by Sunbelt View Post
    That doesn't make any sense, as both Red and Blue states are represented in the top 10 of the US's worst economies. No, it's better to conclude that the primary reason these states are in such disarray is that our overly intrusive national government has quashed any attempt to build a strong private sector, and has left the economies in total shambles.
    LOL. So contrary to the actual data above, which clearly demonstrates that blue states are by and large doing way better economically, we should just throw that out and leap to the opposite conclusion for no reason... Good one.

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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    LOL. So contrary to the actual data above, which clearly demonstrates that blue states are by and large doing way better economically, we should just throw that out and leap to the opposite conclusion for no reason... Good one.
    Your irrelevant data indicates annual income; it says nothing about the economic condition of each state. Who do you think you are? Well, we know who you think you are, but we're not going to get into all that!

    Taken from the CNBC website, the top five economies are as follows: Texas, Wyoming, Oklahoma, Iowa & Colorado. The bottom five are: Rhode Island, Nevada, Alaska, South Carolina & Indiana. Now, in case you continue in the spirit of idiot comparisons with "My states have less/more in the top/bottom five than yours", you will find that Red wins at both ends of the rankings.

    For your reading pleasure: News Headlines
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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by Sunbelt View Post
    Your irrelevant data indicates annual income; it says nothing about the economic condition of each state. Who do you think you are? Well, we know who you think you are, but we're not going to get into all that!

    Taken from the CNBC website, the top five economies are as follows: Texas, Wyoming, Oklahoma, Iowa & Colorado. The bottom five are: Rhode Island, Nevada, Alaska, South Carolina & Indiana. Now, in case you continue in the spirit of the idiot "My states have less/more in the top/bottom five than yours" comparison, you will find that Red wins at both ends of the rankings.

    For your reading pleasure: News Headlines
    "Best economies" is a very vague standard there... We don't know what exactly they're measuring. Like does that look at growth rate or absolute position? How does it weigh median income vs average income? They mention a few times "the best economies FOR BUSINESSES" which seems to imply that they're looking mostly at how good the economy is for corporations, not people. So that would certainly slant to favor red states. The most meaningful indicator of economic success is median income, which is what I posted.

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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    "Best economies" is a very vague standard there... We don't know what exactly they're measuring.
    Not unlike trying to use annual income data of wage earners to describe the economic condition of each state.

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    The most meaningful indicator of economic success is median income, which is what I posted.
    No, it isn't. It's what CNBC posted -- a nationally recognized organization. You're but one anonymous forum member from San Francisco: a hotbed of bias & radical liberalism.
    Last edited by Sunbelt; 11-13-11 at 05:30 PM.

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