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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    That post is a great argument for gun control.
    Gun Control--being able to accurately hit your selected target.

    Supporting a Gun Ban--Wanting to take away everyones guns because you are afraid you or your preferred political group may be their selected targets.

    So you prefer Tyranny over armed revolt to prevent it? To each his own, but you might want to consider where we would be if our fore-fathers hadn't used armed revolt against Tyranny.

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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Gun Control--being able to accurately hit your selected target.

    Supporting a Gun Ban--Wanting to take away everyones guns because you are afraid you or your preferred political group may be their selected targets.

    So you prefer Tyranny over armed revolt to prevent it? To each his own, but you might want to consider where we would be if our fore-fathers hadn't used armed revolt against Tyranny.
    Just saying that threats of assassination and armed uprising are perhaps not the best strategy for an advocate of gun rights.

    My view is that this is a non issue. The SC has ruled and it's clear that the government cannot take away your guns even if it wanted to (which it doesn't).

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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    While I mostly support your arguments, there is a falsehood in your statement here. Convicted Felons are prohibited from owning or handling firearms also. Of course, the fact that it is illegal doesn't seem to hinder them if they decide to have a gun.
    You're right. A felon cannot legally own a gun. But as you said, that doesn't hinder them if they decide to.

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Also, one outcome of the SCOTUS upholding a commerce clause law against the buying and selling of guns would be that millions of Americans who believe in guns will load their firearms, go to Washington DC and explain to SCOTUS the error of their ways. At which time, the ruling will be reversed or the sitting President will get to appoint a new SCOTUS, this of course assumes that said President wasn't the one who signed the law, otherwise same said armed Americans might decide it is time for a new President as well and then move on to Congress and explain to them the errors of their ways also.
    If our government continues on its course I have no doubt that this may happen.

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    If the Heath Care Reform law gets upheld, I also know quite a few people who plan to pay their "fine" in installments of small pieces of lead. Whether or not they actually do so will have to wait until the SOTUS rules on the issue. Armed Americans standing up to Tyranny from their government is the motivating factor behind including the 2nd Amendment in the Bill of Rights. There are quite a few Americans today that think the socialist left have pushed things about as far as they should be allowed to.
    Honestly there's not much I can say to this.
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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    I want car and home insurance requirements repealed. If requiring health care insurance is bad, then those must be bad as well.

    I also want employers to stop offering health insurance and pension plans. Lets go all the way conservative, everybody is on his own. This is the onlly way to stop this creeping socialism that threatens to turn us into a nation of dependents, all sucking the teats of government.

    So, is UtahBill being sarcastic, or not?
    I want all liberals to be separated from all conservatives. I want two distinct, political societies, where people will have a clear choice. I want all Americans, everywhere, to witness which side will be the easy choice for foreign invasion; to witness which side will enjoy aggressive tax hikes, an extremely modest private sector, and perpetual government programs such as road construction projects with street cones as far as the eye can see..... a liberal utopia.
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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by Sunbelt View Post
    I want all liberals to be separated from all conservatives. I want two distinct, political societies, where people will have a clear choice. I want all Americans, everywhere, to witness which side will be the easy choice for foreign invasion; to witness which side will enjoy aggressive tax hikes, an extremely modest private sector, and perpetual government programs such as road construction projects with street cones as far as the eye can see..... a liberal utopia.
    I would rather have an open, honest, society. One where people actually work together instead of against each other for personal gain. What you want, a seperate two party nation, leads to nothing.
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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I would rather have an open, honest, society. One where people actually work together instead of against each other for personal gain. What you want, a seperate two party nation, leads to nothing.
    I'd argue it leads to war.

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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I'd argue it leads to war.
    It could, I agree. But to me, that is "nothing" if you understand my meaning.
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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by Sunbelt View Post
    I want all liberals to be separated from all conservatives. I want two distinct, political societies, where people will have a clear choice. I want all Americans, everywhere, to witness which side will be the easy choice for foreign invasion; to witness which side will enjoy aggressive tax hikes, an extremely modest private sector, and perpetual government programs such as road construction projects with street cones as far as the eye can see..... a liberal utopia.
    I don't think that would work out quite how you are picturing...

    States by median income:
    # 1 New Jersey: $61,359.00
    # 2 Connecticut: $60,528.00
    # 3 Maryland: $57,424.00

    # 4 Alaska: $57,027.00
    # 5 Massachusetts: $55,658.00
    # 6 New Hampshire: $55,580.00
    # 7 Hawaii: $53,554.00
    # 8 Virginia: $51,689.00
    # 9 California: $51,185.00
    # 10 Minnesota: $50,860.00
    # 11 Delaware: $50,315.00
    # 12 Illinois: $48,953.00
    # 13 Rhode Island: $48,722.00
    # 14 Colorado: $48,198.00
    # 15 Washington: $47,659.00
    # 16 New York: $47,349.00

    # 17 Utah: $47,074.00
    # 18 District of Columbia: $46,574.00
    # 19 Vermont: $46,543.00
    # 20 Wisconsin: $45,315.00
    # 21 Michigan: $44,905.00
    # 22 Nevada: $44,646.00

    # 23 Wyoming: $44,275.00
    # 24 Georgia: $43,037.00

    # 25 Pennsylvania: $42,941.00
    # 26 Ohio: $42,240.00
    # 27 Indiana: $42,195.00
    # 28 Maine: $42,163.00

    # 29 Arizona: $41,995.00
    # 30 Oregon: $41,794.00
    # 31 Texas: $41,759.00
    # 32 Nebraska: $41,657.00
    # 33 Kansas: $41,638.00
    # 34 Missouri: $41,473.00

    # 35 Iowa: $41,350.00
    # 36 Florida: $41,236.00

    # 37 Idaho: $39,934.00
    # 38 South Carolina: $39,837.00
    # 39 North Dakota: $39,447.00

    # 40 North Carolina: $39,428.00
    # 41 Tennessee: $38,794.00
    # 42 South Dakota: $38,472.00
    # 43 Alabama: $36,709.00

    # 44 New Mexico: $36,043.00
    # 45 Oklahoma: $35,357.00
    # 46 Kentucky: $35,269.00
    # 47 Montana: $35,239.00
    # 48 Louisiana: $35,110.00
    # 49 Arkansas: $32,983.00
    # 50 Mississippi: $31,642.00
    # 51 West Virginia: $31,504.00


    Median Household Income statistics - states compared - StateMaster Economy


    Top 10 biggest net contributors to the federal government:
    New Jersey 55%
    Connecticut 66%
    New Hampshire 67%
    Minnesota 69%
    Illinois 73%
    Nevada 73%
    Massachusetts 77%
    California 79%
    Colorado 79%
    New York 79%

    (the percentage is the percentage of every dollar in federal taxes paid that gets spent in that state)


    Top 10 biggest withdrawers from the federal government:
    South Dakota 149%
    Montana 158%

    Hawaii 160%
    Virginia 166%

    Alabama 171%
    North Dakota 173%
    Mississippi 177%
    West Virginia 183%
    Alaska 187%

    New Mexico 200%

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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Connecticut, Vermont Move Forward on Their Own Health Care Options
    "With talk of repealing health care in the air, I thought it would be a good time to look at a couple New England states going in the opposite direction: Vermont and Connecticut. Both of them are in the midst of designing or recommending alternatives to the private health care market, which could go all the way up to a single payer program."

    I wonder why more states didn't take Obama up on the 'out' he provided to states as an alternative to the Republican idea for insurance mandates?

    "Section 1302 of the Senate bill does this directly. The provision is entitled "the Waiver for State Innovation," and it gives states the power to junk the whole of the health-care plan -- that means the individual mandate, the Medicaid expansion, all of it -- if they can do it better and cheaper."
    Ezra Klein - The six Republican ideas already in the health-care reform bill
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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I would rather have an open, honest, society. One where people actually work together instead of against each other for personal gain. What you want, a seperate two party nation, leads to nothing.
    No, what I want is a separation of two parties into two nations. Liberals are impossible to live with.

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