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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Trains make sense in some locations and not in others. Amtrak's high speed line in the NE is profitable.
    Care to prove that.

    In the right location and with the right design, trains are the most efficient form of transporation available. They are hugely successful in Europe.
    Again, this needs proof.

    On a sidenote, you actually like the idea of being herded around? I don't, but to each his own.

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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    How would I get a gun if I didn't want to leave the country? How would everyday people get access? If people can't buy what they want they will just get it illegally and that will just raise crime rates including murder. Not everyone can just pick up and leave the country all the time. What you're saying just isn't that reasonable.
    Do you really think anti-gun advocates care? They're already convinced that guns are the problem and not the criminals themselves. Or at least they believe that getting rid of guns (or the ability to get them at least) would curtail crime rates.

    How would a person that is too poor to get health insurance on thier own and yet to rich to qualify for federal/state assitance going to get health insurance? Do you think that it will matter come tax time and they get taxed *cough fined cough* for not having insurance?

    If they allow Obamacare to stand based upon the Commerce Clause then I would bet anyone that eventually something like what I have stated will happen. It won't happen today or tommarow or even within the next decade. It might not even happen with guns rights but instead some other right that we are accorded or it might happen in a different way. But it will happen. It is the nature of governments and humans that want power over others. History is replete with this proof. The Boston Tea Party happened because the then current government taxed the hell out of the colonies because it was one of the best ways to keep the colonies under control...or so they thought. Slavery is another example of governments and humans wanting control over other humans. Wars were fought in order to control land and people.
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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Care to prove that.

    Again, this needs proof.

    On a sidenote, you actually like the idea of being herded around? I don't, but to each his own.
    The only way to prove which is preferred would be for both to be provided as businesses on the free market. The market does not allow unwanted products to survive for very long.

    Without a market to prove the value of each, arguing which is preferred is just useless talk.

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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Trains make sense in some locations and not in others. Amtrak's high speed line in the NE is profitable.
    Care to prove that.
    Sure.

    "Boardman, the Amtrak president, said his company’s critics make a “great hullabaloo” over its government support, but the system’s revenue covers 85 percent of its overall operating costs. The Acela Express [NE high speed line] makes a 40 percent profit, and the other Northeast Corridor trains break even, he said. Government subsidies are necessary for almost all capital improvements."

    Amtrak faces congestion and criticism as it celebrates 40 years of service - The Washington Post

    The Acela line appears to turn a profit even taking capital improvements into consideration: Is the Northeast Corridor really profitable? - Fred Frailey - Trains Magazine - Online Community: Forums and Blogs


    In the right location and with the right design, trains are the most efficient form of transporation available. They are hugely successful in Europe.
    Again, this needs proof.
    As far as efficiency goes, it appears that motorcycles and plugin hybrids win out over all, but I believe that wouldn't be the case if they only looked at newer, more efficient trains. Energy Use of Different Modes of Transport {Infographic} | CleanTechnica

    As far as trains in Europe goes ... well ... visit Europe or talk to someone who has.

    On a sidenote, you actually like the idea of being herded around? I don't, but to each his own.

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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    No you're not. You can already have a gun or you can have a gun given to you. Besides, buying a gun and owning a gun is two different things. Example, a felon is not allowed to buy guns though they can certainly own one.
    While I mostly support your arguments, there is a falsehood in your statement here. Convicted Felons are prohibited from owning or handling firearms also. Of course, the fact that it is illegal doesn't seem to hinder them if they decide to have a gun.

    Also, one outcome of the SCOTUS upholding a commerce clause law against the buying and selling of guns would be that millions of Americans who believe in guns will load their firearms, go to Washington DC and explain to SCOTUS the error of their ways. At which time, the ruling will be reversed or the sitting President will get to appoint a new SCOTUS, this of course assumes that said President wasn't the one who signed the law, otherwise same said armed Americans might decide it is time for a new President as well and then move on to Congress and explain to them the errors of their ways also.

    If the Heath Care Reform law gets upheld, I also know quite a few people who plan to pay their "fine" in installments of small pieces of lead. Whether or not they actually do so will have to wait until the SOTUS rules on the issue. Armed Americans standing up to Tyranny from their government is the motivating factor behind including the 2nd Amendment in the Bill of Rights. There are quite a few Americans today that think the socialist left have pushed things about as far as they should be allowed to.

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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Care to prove that.



    Again, this needs proof.
    Acela Express - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The Acela Express is one of the few Amtrak lines to operate at a profit; the two train lines generate more than half of Amtrak's total revenue.
    As for Europe, he's right. Anyone who's been to Europe can testify to that. For instance, the rail company Eurostar, which serves Great Britain, France, and Belgium, has more passengers than the airlines that serve similar routes.

    So yes, depending on the geography, trains make more sense in some places than others. I'm not sure why you would dispute this.

    On a sidenote, you actually like the idea of being herded around? I don't, but to each his own.
    Out of curiosity, Henrin, are you one of those folks who likes to drive long-distance? Pretty much every other form of long-distance transport these days involves being "herded around."
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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    While I mostly support your arguments, there is a falsehood in your statement here. Convicted Felons are prohibited from owning or handling firearms also. Of course, the fact that it is illegal doesn't seem to hinder them if they decide to have a gun.

    Also, one outcome of the SCOTUS upholding a commerce clause law against the buying and selling of guns would be that millions of Americans who believe in guns will load their firearms, go to Washington DC and explain to SCOTUS the error of their ways. At which time, the ruling will be reversed or the sitting President will get to appoint a new SCOTUS, this of course assumes that said President wasn't the one who signed the law, otherwise same said armed Americans might decide it is time for a new President as well and then move on to Congress and explain to them the errors of their ways also.

    If the Heath Care Reform law gets upheld, I also know quite a few people who plan to pay their "fine" in installments of small pieces of lead. Whether or not they actually do so will have to wait until the SOTUS rules on the issue. Armed Americans standing up to Tyranny from their government is the motivating factor behind including the 2nd Amendment in the Bill of Rights. There are quite a few Americans today that think the socialist left have pushed things about as far as they should be allowed to.
    That post is a great argument for gun control.

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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Acela Express - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    As for Europe, he's right. Anyone who's been to Europe can testify to that. For instance, the rail company Eurostar, which serves Great Britain, France, and Belgium, has more passengers than the airlines that serve similar routes.

    So yes, depending on the geography, trains make more sense in some places than others. I'm not sure why you would dispute this.



    Out of curiosity, Henrin, are you one of those folks who likes to drive long-distance? Pretty much every other form of long-distance transport these days involves being "herded around."
    When ilived in NYC I loved the trains. I could be in DC in about 3 hours and not deal with the hassle and expense of the airports.

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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    When the government provides us equally accessible transportation options, such as high speed rail or even an equal amount of private roads lol ... then I'll agree with you 100%. But as of now, many many people don't have any other option to travel to and from work on a daily basis.
    Just because you don't like the options doesn't mean you don't have options.
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