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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Why do you drag out that fallacy?
    It's the state government, forcing you to buy something from the private sector. It's stupid and it's not a fallacy. It's a multi billion dollar industry backed by the government, and you're punished if you don't participate in it despite having no reason to participate in it. I have never cause an auto accident, but everybody I know involved in a wreck just pays for damages out of their own pocket instead of reporting the accident to their insurance co because they don't want their ****ing policy to go up. It's so stupid.

    At least with healthcare, you get a benefit... with auto insurance, you just a proof of purchase to show the government so they don't throw your ass in jail. And never mind the BS that somebody else pointed out, that you're only required to purchase it to protect other people. The government can't force us to protect others in such a fashion. People still get hurt in auto accidents despite the insurance industry. The insurance industry is simply there to protect us for damages in case we do cause injury, and if we do, they are likely to raise our premiums and drop us because the industry is actually about making PROFIT, not protecting us from harm. If one doesn't have insurance, the court can still function and handle all claims accordingly.

    Buying it should be an option.

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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    It's the state government, forcing you to buy something from the private sector. It's stupid and it's not a fallacy. It's a multi billion dollar industry backed by the government, and you're punished if you don't participate in it despite having no reason to participate in it. I have never cause an auto accident, but everybody I know involved in a wreck just pays for damages out of their own pocket instead of reporting the accident to their insurance co because they don't want their ****ing policy to go up. It's so stupid.
    Do you have to own car insurance if you own a car??

    No. The only time you have to have any insurance is if you drive on roads...who owns the roads? The government. It is a regulatory requirement to use public road ways. If you want to drive on a private road without insurance, have at it.

    At least with healthcare, you get a benefit... with auto insurance, you just a proof of purchase to show the government so they don't throw your ass in jail. And never mind the BS that somebody else pointed out, that you're only required to purchase it to protect other people. The government can't force us to protect others in such a fashion. People still get hurt in auto accidents despite the insurance industry. The insurance industry is simply there to protect us for damages in case we do cause injury, and if we do, they are likely to raise our premiums and drop us because the industry is actually about making PROFIT, not protecting us from harm. If one doesn't have insurance, the court can still function and handle all claims accordingly.

    Buying it should be an option.
    It is. The option is buy it or don't drive.
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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Lets for a moment say that SCOTUS does rule in favor of Obamacare because of the Commerce Clause. What then will they rule in favor of next? How about guns? Will it become illegal to buy guns since they are a health hazard? Will it become illegal to sell guns across state lines? Will the federal government stop allowing guns from being imported/exported in order to be sold to citizens? You'd still have your right to own a gun. That is all that the 2nd amendment gauruntees. It doesn't gauruntee your right to buy them or sell them however. Not if the commerce clause is allowed to regulate that you have to buy something anyways. Once that road is traveled there is basically no limit that the commerce clause cannot be used for.
    That's a really far jump. Plus liberals actually like guns. How else are they going to bring about the socialist revolution?

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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    No you're not. You can already have a gun or you can have a gun given to you. Besides, buying a gun and owning a gun is two different things. Example, a felon is not allowed to buy guns though they can certainly own one.
    Then just give him a gun for free...

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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Do you have to own car insurance if you own a car??

    No. The only time you have to have any insurance is if you drive on roads...who owns the roads? The government. It is a regulatory requirement to use public road ways. If you want to drive on a private road without insurance, have at it.



    It is. The option is buy it or don't drive.
    When the government provides us equally accessible transportation options, such as high speed rail or even an equal amount of private roads lol ... then I'll agree with you 100%. But as of now, many many people don't have any other option to travel to and from work on a daily basis.

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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Then just give him a gun for free...
    Nothing is free so that doesn't make sense.

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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    When the government provides us equally accessible transportation options, such as high speed rail or even an equal amount of private roads lol ... then I'll agree with you 100%. But as of now, many many people don't have any other option to travel to and from work on a daily basis.
    Why is it that the big solution to transportation problems trains? Is it just me or is that like going back in time but with a more powerful motor? How many people use the trains now? Not nearly enough, and how many actually want their travel schedule controlled by the state, Really? Its just stupid wrapped in stupid with a big ugly bow on top. I would like to go where I'm going whenever I damn well please, but with trains you don't exactly get that. It's just stupid.

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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Why is it that the big solution to transportation problems trains? Is it just me or is that like going back in time but with a more powerful motor? How many people use the trains now? Not nearly enough, and how many actually want their travel schedule controlled by the state, Really? Its just stupid wrapped in stupid with a big ugly bow on top. I would like to go where I'm going whenever I damn well please, but with trains you don't exactly get that. It's just stupid.
    Public transport is just another option. It's not like it would replace all other transportation. You'd still have a choice. I used to live in Europe and I actually miss not having the responsibility of having to own a car and worry about the maintenance on it, oil changes, break downs, tires, auto insurance, parking, licensing, etc.

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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Public transport is just another option. It's not like it would replace all other transportation. You'd still have a choice. I used to live in Europe and I actually miss not having the responsibility of having to own a car and worry about the maintenance on it, oil changes, break downs, tires, auto insurance, parking, licensing, etc.
    Trains are not an opinion. That is the problem. They are expensive and hole on budgets, they go almost no where, and their schedules limit their use. They are useless. Do you have any idea what a Amtrak train ticket should actually cost? Lets just say this, you wouldn't be able to afford it. What do you think a high speed rail ticket would cost? Think about that. The tracks need more care, the trains are far more sensitive so there needs to be constant maintenance to keep safety high. The ticket prices would be out of this world. The government would have do the same bogus trick they do with Amtrak and keep ticket prices lower than they should be and take up the rest of the tab or pay it all. Its just not affordable and not that desirable either.

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    Re: Health care law held constitutional in latest appeals court ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Trains are not an opinion. That is the problem. They are expensive and hole on budgets, they go almost no where, and their schedules limit their use. They are useless. Do you have any idea what a Amtrak train ticket should actually cost? Lets just say this, you wouldn't be able to afford it. What do you think a high speed rail ticket would cost? Think about that. The tracks need more care, the trains are far more sensitive so there needs to be constant maintenance to keep safety high. The ticket prices would be out of this world. The government would have do the same bogus trick they do with Amtrak and keep ticket prices lower than they should be and take up the rest of the tab or pay it all. Its just not affordable and not that desirable either.
    Trains make sense in some locations and not in others. Amtrak's high speed line in the NE is profitable. In the right location and with the right design, trains are the most efficient form of transporation available. They are hugely successful in Europe.

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