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    Bitter Seals tell of killing 'Bert' Laden

    OSAMA BIN LADEN was killed within 90 seconds of the US Navy Seals landing in his compound and not after a protracted gun battle, according to the first account by the men who carried out the raid. The operation was so clinical that only 12 bullets were fired.
    The Seals have spoken out because they were angered at the version given by politicians, which they see as portraying them as cold-blooded murderers on a “kill mission”. They were also shocked that President Barack Obama announced bin Laden's death on television the same evening, rendering useless much of the intelligence they had seized.

    Chuck Pfarrer, a former commander of Seal Team 6, which conducted the operation, has interviewed many of those who took part for a book, Seal Target Geronimo, to be published in the US this week.
    The Seals' own accounts differ from the White House version, which gave the impression that bin Laden was killed at the end of the operation rather than in its opening seconds. Pfarrer insists bin Laden would have been captured had he surrendered.

    “There isn't a politician in the world who could resist trying to take credit for getting bin Laden but it devalued the 'intel' and gave time for every other al-Qa'ida leader to scurry to another bolthole,” said Pfarrer. “The men who did this and their valorous act deserve better. It's a pretty shabby way to treat these guys.”
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    "They were also shocked that President Barack Obama announced bin Laden's death on television the same evening, rendering useless much of the intelligence they had seized." That's because they didn't understand it was only about a photo op and a small bump in the polls to Obama.

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    Re: Bitter Seals tell of killing 'Bert' Laden

    Islamic law says that a body should be interred in an extremely timely manner. Can you imagine just how much more people would have doubted Osama was actually deceased had they waited until he had been interred for weeks before releasing the news of his death?

    Also, the news of Obama's demise was already being reported by Al Jazeera before Obama made a formal announcement. It is silly to believe Obama's timing would have made any difference in the Intel's usefulness. I'm pretty sure more Al Qaeda operatives watch Al Jazeera than Fox, CNN or MSNBC.

    Edited to add this link: http://english.aljazeera.net/video/a...017456791.html
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    Re: Bitter Seals tell of killing 'Bert' Laden

    Quote Originally Posted by toomuchtime_ View Post
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    "They were also shocked that President Barack Obama announced bin Laden's death on television the same evening, rendering useless much of the intelligence they had seized." That's because they didn't understand it was only about a photo op and a small bump in the polls to Obama.
    Actually, I don't think this was something that could have been kept secret no matter how hard the President and his administration tried. After all, this is the death of a guy who caused 5,000 deaths via terrorism, and the reason why we went to war in two Middle Eastern nations at the same time, and the reason why our servicemen and servicewomen are away from their homes and families, suffering from PTSD due to long deployments, and, for a some, have died in combat. An event like this isn't something easily kept hush-hush.
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    Re: Bitter Seals tell of killing 'Bert' Laden

    What would have not announcing his death achieved? The raid wasn't exactly the epitome of subtlety. If you're some AQ guy, and you hear a helicopter has crashed in your bosses house, and he's not answering his phone, it wouldn't take a genius to figure out what happened.
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    Re: Bitter Seals tell of killing 'Bert' Laden

    Quote Originally Posted by Frolicking Dinosaurs View Post
    Islamic law says that a body should be interred in an extremely timely manner. [/url]
    I guess that's why Gaddaffi (or however you spell his fricking name) was paraded around in a meat locker for a week.

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    Re: Bitter Seals tell of killing 'Bert' Laden

    Quote Originally Posted by PerfectStorm View Post
    I guess that's why Gaddaffi (or however you spell his fricking name) was paraded around in a meat locker for a week.
    Which you neglect to mention was done by Libyan rebels who also wanted to humiliate him, not by U.S. servicemen who would have likely treated his body with a bit more respect.
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    Re: Bitter Seals tell of killing 'Bert' Laden

    Pretty disappointing. By running to the cameras before Bid Laden was cold, it pretty much made the intel gathered in his complex useless.

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    Re: Bitter Seals tell of killing 'Bert' Laden

    they had to announce it immediately because they lost a helicopter inside Pakistan and the mission wasn't greenlighted by the government of Pakistan. within a day, it would have been worldwide news.

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    Re: Bitter Seals tell of killing 'Bert' Laden

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    What would have not announcing his death achieved? The raid wasn't exactly the epitome of subtlety. If you're some AQ guy, and you hear a helicopter has crashed in your bosses house, and he's not answering his phone, it wouldn't take a genius to figure out what happened.
    he had no phone, and no regular contact outside of a runner style system. time to exploit would have been very limited, but it may have indeed been possible - and at the very least if there is a possibility of capture (and interrogation) it can be best to leave in the dark. when people start to panic is when they make mistakes.

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    Re: Bitter Seals tell of killing 'Bert' Laden

    Quote Originally Posted by toomuchtime_ View Post
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    "They were also shocked that President Barack Obama announced bin Laden's death on television the same evening, rendering useless much of the intelligence they had seized." That's because they didn't understand it was only about a photo op and a small bump in the polls to Obama.
    Hey. That was big news. Navy SEALS don't get to decide policy. From the accounts I read, I didn't think they were cold-blooded murderers. Intel is intel. Names/locations/yada yada yada. If they had to cancel some nefarious plans, isn't that a good thing?

    Besides that, no one knows what actually happened except those who watched the video feed (and that could be somewhat distorted) and the guys who were there. Some guy who "used to be a SEAL" has no credibility to me.

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